Men's Liberation
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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Looks like we are going to have to start at the basics with this one.
noun: strawman an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument
The Nazi comment you made was a strawman. Nice one.
Then I pointed it out and you switched it to me complaining about 1984. Again nice strawman.
Wow yet another strawman
Yet another strawman! I never said anything of the sort.
No I've seen it first hand and it's been in the news. Women get way more leg ups than men and numbers get capped or reserved.
Think this was in reference to women attacking and looking down on men for being unmanly. Yet no mention of how women should behave better, who's responsible for that?
Haha its like you've not met women. Women always make out guys are pissy because they can't get laid or because they are short. But I've never seen guys do it, guys just enjoy having sex that's why they try to get it. And very frequently they help each other.
Man what a complete mess of a comment haha.
Diet Nazis are the subject of the article. That's what parents' sons become, when they "slide to the right." Your lack of clarity in pointless whining does not make my dismissal the problem.
Your lies about what you said in plain fucking English help nobody. You wrote: "you don’t believe sex and money have gotten more competitive over time?" You describe sex as a competition, in as many words. You directly conflate it with competition for money.
Regarding guys "getting girls," you explicitly mused about "evening out that somehow."
Stand by what you say or shut up.
You've been that guy, in this conversation. Examples in omnipresent media are so plentiful I'd be here all day slapping your face with them just to call you liar again. Have you ever watched a single action movie, boner comedy, or high-school drama? Try it some time, it'll be a novel experience, if you're not just obviously full of shit.
If you don't care what words mean then I won't care about you.
I was on about how children grow up and the lack of discourse and ability to think for themselves. I'm sorry you were unable to understand that and had to take the extreme examples only.
Because they are. Everything is a competition, work, housing, relationships, sex, money that's just how it is. Sure it's not the same as a foot race competition but you still competing against others that's the defintion of the word.
That's not distributing a resource though. You said that. All I was musing was that it would be healthier if people and society if people weren't chasing what they want all the time. If some guys weren't fucking a different girl everyweek and chasing that high, if guys weren't trying to emulate those guys just to get one bit of positive attention from women, if women weren't casually shagging some guy out of their league then remaining single because they "can't get a good guy" but really they been fucking guys who have no interest in settling they just been playing the game. I think society would be better. How that happens I don't know. If you dont agree with that you must look fondly on the pickup cluture as much as the "artist" do. Education probably the answer maybe something like mens clubs could be one example as I said before were you can get intergenerational knowledge and guys can tell younguns what's important in life. But really it's a difficult problem and whether you agree or not I don't think that's the optimal state of society, what is I don't know.
Weirdly I have had this abuse from women. Not from guys when I was a virgin as a child, but I got it from girls. I didnt get it from guys either, i did get ribbed when I hit on a girl and failed but only in a light humoured funny way, but I did get it from girls. Which seeing as I'm 6'1 and got the nickname "top shagger" in my university rugby club it really goes to show how high the bar is for girls and how hurtful they actually try to be. Like I said I'm 6'1 and slept around so I'm not really bothered, but I can see and empathise with others. I don't think it's fair to out of the blue say things like "if you was taller girls would like you". But whatever, girls seem to think that's a good thing to say.
What an open wound of a comment.
And not in any of the ways you seem to think.