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[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Two years ago, the Ukrainian Armed Forces defied expectations immediately. Days before Russia’s massive combined arms incursion, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley spoke for the U.S. military when he predicted to Congress that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours.

Many military analysts similarly predicted the Russian Armed Forces would quickly rout the overmatched Ukrainians. American leaders encouraged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to leave the country, lest Russian troops assassinate him.

This whole narrative has to have been pure bullshit, right? The West had been arming Ukraine since 2014, Merkel even admitted the Minsk II agreements were just stalling for that purpose, and if you sell Ukraine as this hopelessly outmatched smol bean that's certainly doomed, it's easier to rally public support when it "somehow" beats all odds to hang in the fight. It's classic setting expectations at zero so anything looks like success, and fits with how often the media has ran with the "full scale" descriptor of the Russian invasion.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley spoke for the U.S. military when he predicted to Congress that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours

So finally there is is, the long awaited source for the all time favourite liberal bullshit that Kiev will fall in 3 days. And of course it was a projection too since it was said by US general, not Russian.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think the Belarusian president had a similar statement, too, but that's still not Russia.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Possibly, Luka does sometimes like to exaggerate to push a point

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

They definitely could have won much faster if they went for carpet-bombing (as they thankfully understood they should not have done), as they are still easily among the strongest air forces on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

Yeah, but now this is the canon in the west that has to be incorporated into any future narratives.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

War is unpredictable. Ukraine is outmatched but defenders advantage goes a long way. Total defeat of Ukraine's military in the field wouldn't be achievable in 72 hours but it was still possible for a surrender to have occurred in that timespan if the chips landed the right way. While they definitely do exaggerate their predictions for several strategic reasons (budgetary, propaganda, cointel) the element of simply preparing for the worst case scenario is probably still the primary reason and no analyst gets gets their name dragged in the mud for having urged too much caution.