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Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets
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Meanwhile I feel like there's a much bigger issue going on. 11 years old? Did they even go through puberty yet?
Why would they need to go through puberty? Did you not know what gender you were before puberty?
Plus, if you figure out you're trans (or might be trans) that young, you'd usually take puberty blockers explicitly to delay puberty until you're a bit older and doctors can be more certain, at which point HRT can be started. Puberty blockers are very safe and reversible, unlike puberty (whether natural puberty or HRT puberty).
Also there are babies that are born hermaphrodites and often the doctors just choose a gender, getting it wrong from the perspective of the child.
Because MASSIVE hormonal and neurological changes happen with puberty.
It's like the most drastic change of your body and mind that most people will ever experience in their lives.
So the idea is to take someone who knows they're trans and force permanent irreversible changes on them just for the joy of being cruel to children instead of just forestalling puberty with a reversible treatment.
Call me EXTREMELY skeptical that anyone knows fuck about anything before puberty, let alone their lifelong gender, sexuality, or anything else concerning the things that hormones change.
This is a total bullshit statement. We don't know the long-term effects of puberty blocking, for this particular purpose. There's plenty of studies that show the bone density is fucked up after, if they choose not to fully transition. Plenty of other side effects that may not be reversible, but we don't know because it hasn't been studied enough.
So no. I call bullshit on that.
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I wish I were on puberty blockers. I'm not trans btw
This is 100% incorrect btw.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/puberty-blockers-not-so-reversible-after-all/
https://wng.org/roundups/study-effects-of-puberty-blockers-can-last-a-lifetime-1617220389
https://www.worldtribune.com/we-were-wrong-canadian-doctor-says-puberty-blockers-not-safe-or-reversible/
https://www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/
The FDA doesn't even approve puberty blockers for "gender affirmation".
You can't just "pause" puberty and then go through it years later completely unaffected. That's not how it works.
Let's see...
Right-wing rag, right-wing rag that has the phrase "Biblical truth" in its slogan, right-wing rag pushing vaccine conspiracies and transphobia on its front page, aaand... anti-trans hate group.
Your bias is showing.
My “bias” was literally go to google and search, then grab the ones that had studies and scientists/doctors backing them up. The NHS no longer says that puberty blockers are reversible. It doesn’t matter what site reports it, they’re reporting facts.
What I take from this is that you know they’re right, you just want to deflect because you have no actual response.
Nah, you just grabbed whatever shitty articles backed up your existing viewpoint because if you'd bothered to do any actual research you'd have seen that at worst there's a hell of a lot more nuance than the anti-trans bigotry you spewed all over the thread:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9793415/
https://www.healthline.com/health/are-puberty-blockers-reversible
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
Oh, and please note that my sources are from official government sources and peer-reviewed journals, not transphobic right-wing rags that are pushing agendas.
Took 2 seconds to find this in one of your sources that says that puberty blockers are fully reversible (the health line article):
So they say they’re fully reversible yet don’t actually know 😂.
From the mayo clinic one:
How on earth can you look at those “side effects” and come to the conclusion that they’re “fully reversible”? Having an pre pubescent boys micro penis isn’t reversible. Being sterile isn’t reversible. Having early onset osteoporosis isn’t reversible.
We need to have a chat about reputable sources...
The sources are irrelevant when they’re simply reporting on findings from reputable publications/scientists/etc.
The NHS now say puberty blockers aren’t “completely reversible”. Ihatejoebiden.com could report on that and it makes no difference to the fact that the NHS says what it says.
The source doesn’t matter, what matters is what they’re reporting.
Well someone needs to have that chat with you, and soon.
Fair point. In that case, you cannot call anyone a boy or a girl until they hit puberty. You must treat them all as the same gender (or genderless). One bathroom for "children" who haven't hit puberty and thus clearly don't have a gender. Then we can have a bathroom each for "boy" and "girl".
Or... was that not your point? I wonder if I can guess your point?