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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (15 children) Sounds like a lawsuit to me. permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago (4 children) Doubtful. TOS would state that you're only licensing the media. If the media no longer exists, the license no longer exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago Day 10,490 of saying it should be flatly illegal to call a lease a purchase. Companies should never be allowed to use language that implies ownership of a product when what you're buying is a permanently revokable temporary lease. "But it's in the TOS, what they're doing is perfectly legal" yeah the problem is that it's legal permalink fedilink source parent [–] bort@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago Fraud is still fraud, even if they call it something else. The consumer was led to believe, they could access the media for a long time. The time was abruptly cut short. The consumer did not get what they were led to believe. It's fraud. It's like every other (consumer-)fraud before: they can write in the fine print whatever they want. I am not saying that this argument will definitely hold up in court. I just want to point out, that it's not so clear-cut as you are presenting it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago TOS is meaningless when the actions are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago I didn't give a signature on any ToS I've ever agreed to. It's entirely unenforceable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago If only. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Good luck with that one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Surreal@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Easiest class action lawsuit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago Yeah you bought the right to use their license and to pull it off their servers as long as they exist. You still have that, nothing changed in that regard. But yeah it's a problem that buying digital stuff doesn't really mean anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 474D@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Longest $5 you'll ever earn permalink fedilink source parent [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd rather a lawyer get all the money than let Sony keep it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago (4 children) Doubtful. TOS would state that you're only licensing the media. If the media no longer exists, the license no longer exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago Day 10,490 of saying it should be flatly illegal to call a lease a purchase. Companies should never be allowed to use language that implies ownership of a product when what you're buying is a permanently revokable temporary lease. "But it's in the TOS, what they're doing is perfectly legal" yeah the problem is that it's legal permalink fedilink source parent [–] bort@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago Fraud is still fraud, even if they call it something else. The consumer was led to believe, they could access the media for a long time. The time was abruptly cut short. The consumer did not get what they were led to believe. It's fraud. It's like every other (consumer-)fraud before: they can write in the fine print whatever they want. I am not saying that this argument will definitely hold up in court. I just want to point out, that it's not so clear-cut as you are presenting it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago TOS is meaningless when the actions are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago I didn't give a signature on any ToS I've ever agreed to. It's entirely unenforceable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago Day 10,490 of saying it should be flatly illegal to call a lease a purchase. Companies should never be allowed to use language that implies ownership of a product when what you're buying is a permanently revokable temporary lease. "But it's in the TOS, what they're doing is perfectly legal" yeah the problem is that it's legal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bort@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago Fraud is still fraud, even if they call it something else. The consumer was led to believe, they could access the media for a long time. The time was abruptly cut short. The consumer did not get what they were led to believe. It's fraud. It's like every other (consumer-)fraud before: they can write in the fine print whatever they want. I am not saying that this argument will definitely hold up in court. I just want to point out, that it's not so clear-cut as you are presenting it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago TOS is meaningless when the actions are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago I didn't give a signature on any ToS I've ever agreed to. It's entirely unenforceable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Good luck with that one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Surreal@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Easiest class action lawsuit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago Yeah you bought the right to use their license and to pull it off their servers as long as they exist. You still have that, nothing changed in that regard. But yeah it's a problem that buying digital stuff doesn't really mean anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 474D@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Longest $5 you'll ever earn permalink fedilink source parent [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd rather a lawyer get all the money than let Sony keep it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] velvetThunder@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago Yeah you bought the right to use their license and to pull it off their servers as long as they exist. You still have that, nothing changed in that regard. But yeah it's a problem that buying digital stuff doesn't really mean anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 474D@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Longest $5 you'll ever earn permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd rather a lawyer get all the money than let Sony keep it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'd rather a lawyer get all the money than let Sony keep it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I dream of the day that a loss carries the minimum of all revenue earned from the removed content twice over or more as punishment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent