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‘Andrew Tate is a symptom, not the problem’: why young men are turning against feminism (www.theguardian.com)

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Teachers describe a deterioration in behaviour and attitudes that has proved to be fertile terrain for misogynistic influencers

“As soon as I mention feminism, you can feel the shift in the room; they’re shuffling in their seats.” Mike Nicholson holds workshops with teenage boys about the challenges of impending manhood. Standing up for the sisterhood, it seems, is the last thing on their minds.

When Nicholson says he is a feminist himself, “I can see them look at me, like, ‘I used to like you.’”

Once Nicholson, whose programme is called Progressive Masculinity, unpacks the fact that feminism means equal rights and opportunities for women, many of the boys with whom he works are won over.

“A lot of it is bred from misunderstanding and how the word is smeared,” he says.

But he is battling against what he calls a “dominance-based model” of masculinity. “These old-fashioned, regressive ideas are having a renaissance, through your masculinity influencers – your grifters, like Andrew Tate.”

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Or like how Google has a doodle for international women's day but never international men's day. Not to be dismissive or insensitive to women's issues, but I've seen boys and young men talk about how little things like that give them the impression that their thoughts and feelings are not valid.

There are ofc men's issues still like how the overwhelming majority workplaces deaths are men or how more men die from suicide than women. Men are more likely to be homeless than women etc

The sexes are supposed to compliment one another. Not compete against one another. We can acknowledge that there are issues for both sides while still being sensitive and respectful.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think there's a lesson in there about teaching people that weren't around for the formation of a movement about why targeted movements exist.

It's not just with kids but with people that are tuned out... I think too many people fall through the cracks into white power, toxic masculinity, incel groups, etc because on the surface the questions are of course...

"well why don't I have a support group for X? what makes that group of people special? why do they get their own day?"

Like yeah, if nobody's ever explained what women have historically faced to you, feminism and girl power are especially strange concepts to confront.

Maybe having a more positive masculinity movement actually wouldn't be a bad idea just to help people that are feeling a little lost and prevent them from finding "answers" in the wrong places(?)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the lesson here is that even if white males are "in power" on a societal level, on an individual level it still benefits everyone to have a safe space, even straight white men. We need a men's support group. I would argue we even need a "white support group". There are unique challenges and difficulties that come with being white. Not to the same degree as being black, for example, but they're a totally different set of issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Such a good and concise comment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

do you know if there is one for movember? i always felt that international mens day wasnt really popular because it wasnt 'themed' if you get what i mean. during movember in high school the girls would get those like moustache cutouts and wear them and it all raised awareness for men and boys and there was funding for like, i think it was prostate cancer?