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I will just drive my Tesla instead. So much safer.
thought you were serious for a second, for those who aren't getting the joke, driving your car is thousands of times more dangerous than taking a plane flight
But all those articles about Boeing issues will get more people to drive. It's ironic how fighting for higher flying safety standards can kill people. The surplus in car crash fatalities in the months after 9/11 was higher than the number of passengers on all the planes involved.
We need more trains in North America. From my experience between planes, trains, and automobiles (and boats) trains have been the best experience.
I’m one of those people that likes to get a window seat and occasionally check out the views and marvel at what is really going on at that moment.
But the flying experience sucks. If there was an option to chill in a comfy train to replace short and medium flights, I would be right there with you.
"Knocks on wood". Japan's bullet trains have zero fatalities after more than 60 years of service. Trains are the absolute safest if managed properly.
They’d also be the easiest to make self-driving.
Don’t want to deal with things like lane changes, identifying traffic signals, erratic drivers, etc? Just focus on self driving trains instead. They go back and forth on a set path, on a set schedule, and can automatically watch for things like people/animals/debris on the tracks, electronically receive stop/go signals, etc…
All the focus is on self-driving cars, when it really should be on trains.
It really is insane how many people’s perception of safety is so completely opposite to reality.
I don't think I have ever seen a bolt randomly fall off my car.
And have you ever seen a bolt fall off a plane you were flying on?
Can't say that I have but it is not really comparable since I would notice random ass fucking bolts in my driveway.
Ah yes, the location where your car experiences the most movement and vibrations and is most likely to lose a bolt: parked in your driveway. 🤦♀️
Where are Boeing planes losing bolts now? On the runway.
You work for them or something?
What an inane and pointless argument. (All of you)
And your comment differs...how exactly?
I called out something stupid you said, so I must be a shill 🙄
I said nothing stupid. Random bolts are not falling off my car. You are the one coming up with excuses for Boeing
Look. A few incidents happen close together, and everyone loses their damn mind and freaks out, saying they'll never use those aircraft again, even though 99.999% of the time, it's one of the safest ways to travel. It's extremely silly. This shit is a statistical anomaly.
At the end of the day, some of their aircraft have been grounded for investigation, and that's good. This will lead to it being even safer. I hope this also leads to regulatory change, resulting in Boeing no longer being responsible for themselves meeting safety standards.
But good lord people freaking out over a handful of incidences that will almost certainly never happen to them are just appealing to irrational fear.
I saw a cockroach in my kitchen. Killed it. Since I have only seen one I should assume it was a statistical anomaly and there isn't a hundred hidden ones I didn't see.
I have been in industrial/infrastructure way too long. When you see things like this there are problems you aren't seeing. And I find your attitude grossly irresponsible. You don't wait until the problem grows and people start dying in massive amounts before you decide to fix a problem, especially when the problem is tightening a fucking bolt. This isn't some crazy black swan event know one coildnhsve foreseen. It is applying torque for the right amount of time to a bolt.
Boeing has been having issues for a very long time. And it has all been the result of their short term cost only focused structure. Kept cutting corners, kept refusing to invent, kept on outsourcing to save money. And now we are seeing the results of it. Maybe they should go back to make things that fly well instead of being a company that knows how to temporarily inflate their stock price well.
How many more incidents need to keep happening before you will stop hail corporate them?
Where did I say this? I said it's good they're being scrutinized. I said hopefully it would lead to better regulation and higher safety standards.
I'm talking about on an individual level, it's ridiculous to appeal to fear and say you're avoiding this thing forever because of a couple rare incidents that almost certainly won't affect you, especially while we're moving in the right direction in regards to overall safety. I hope this series of events results in a crackdown that whips Boeing into shape.
You're discussing in bad faith. Stop it.
Which one of us is now lying?
"and say you’re avoiding this thing forever"
Did I say that?
In terms of speech you plan to give to Congress when you beg for a bailout I think this can be improved.
I'm done talking to you. You clearly do not have either the skills or desire to have a level-headed, productive conversation. Cheers mate.
Save your breath for the bailout begging
Idk man I see this statistic all the time but you might survive a car crash but if you fall from a metal tube in the sky you are most likely dead as fuck. I think crashes happen lessoften but when you do crash in a plane theres usually zero survivors
It's not even close. Passenger cars crash so much more frequently than planes (and other forms of transportation) that the rates of death are much higher.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/
You are the reason casinos make money.
Ok ok lol I can see why you'd say this so let me frame it another way. I've personally been in a car crash before (two), and I survived. Do you know one single person personally yourself who has survived a plane crash? What about two of them? Now what about car crashes? I bet you know at least one person who has survived a car crash, right?
I know more people that have died in car crashes (2, in separate instances, and one person that died in a motorcycle accident) than people who have died in plane crashes (0).
But that doesn't actually matter, because a) anecdotal evidence means very little, if not nothing when considering the scale of transportation industries and b) the numbers don't lie. Since 1970, 85,555 people have died in fatal aviation incidents. Around 100,000 people die or are disabled in car accidents every single month.
Your misunderstanding of statistics and probability and your idea that because the concept of a minor car accident exists, it nullifies the fact that they are dangerous, is just wrong.
I came back to find this comment. How do you feel about flying now? Make sure it's not a Boeing amirite?
I am an airframe and powerplant certified mechanic, I worked on 737NGs for years as well as a320/1/neo, etc.
I know more about aviation than you, I know more about plane crashes than you.
Hey if all that is true then yes you 100 percent do know more than I do about it that's no question lol just poking at it again because of the news with Boeing killing that guy and the tons of problems they've found them to have and they're still up there zipping around like nothing is happening.
There are stats about fatalities you know? Not just number of incidents. Cars are orders of magnitude more dangerous in those stats as well.
When being ironic, don't forget of Poe's Law
People on lemmy are smart, they will get it. Right?
Some people on lemmy are smart, likely a higher ratio than many other sites, but there's still a ridiculous surplus of fools
And all those smart people still have incredibly stupid opinions outside their areas of expertise. Everyone is a moron in the wrong context.
I'd posit a well rounded education doesn't necessarily agree with that. You don't need a professional education in a topic to be able to provide a decent opinion, it's just that many people opt not to work on their own educations and prefer to be spoon fed materials, and it's this behaviour that produces morons in almost every context, rather than individuals that have problematic views in a few topics.