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[โ€“] 33 points 2 years ago (37 children)

I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn't much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl. They both contain a lot of the same bacteria, you wouldn't be much better off licking an old used plate that has been sitting in a moist environment for a few days before you put the dishwasher on than you would be from licking a toilet brush. Well made dishwashers are designed to vigorously wash and, with the right settings and detergent, sanitize everything inside them so that they are safe to eat off of. Heck the machines they use to sanitize surgical equipment are essentially fancy dishwashers. But emotionally I couldn't do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn't be able to get over that mental hurdle.

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  • [+] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)
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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I didn't say it was the equivalent I said neither are good for you and both could be cleaned and sanitized sufficiently by the right dishwasher, so please don't put words in my mouth thanks. Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren't going to have anything good for you on them either and that's how most people treat their used dishes. We get viruses and parasites growing on regular food that has gone bad too, and both are going to disagree with your stomach and potentially do some harm. Does rinsing your dishes or washing them right away help mitigate or prevent that? Sure. Does everyone do that? Of course not. I never said "eating shit is the exact same as licking a dirty dish" nor did I say anything close to that. I said "both are bad for you and a well made dishwasher is designed to clean things really well and even sanitize them in order to make them safe to eat off of, so it makes sense logically that this could be safe but I still wouldn't do it anyway".

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    You literally said 'isnt much better'. A magnitude of a few thousand is 'much better' in my opinion.

    Noone likes being criticized but this could be an opportunity to embrace it and learn something.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The real question here is how many grams of shit are actually in the bristles of a used toilet brush

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago

    Also how many microbes (because mako used number of actual organisms per gram to make his numbers big and scary) per visible colony or growth that you'd see on a plate with food that's been left out for several days.

    What he should have elaborated on, instead of only a single sentence with a curse word for emphasis, is that the microbes in your fecal matter are more likely to be able to survive inside of your body if they make it past your innate defenses when consumed. They were already in one area and survived, and now they may be entering a different area (which is one of the major ways infections can happen). You have plenty of microbes happily surviving on your skin, in your digestive tract, etc. without causing any issues, but if they make it elsewhere, some pretty nasty infections result. Look up Staphylococcus epidermidis and its outcomes for people who have plastic medical devices implanted, even though it's really great for you to have it on your skin.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren't going to have anything good for you on them either and that's how most people treat their used dishes.

    No they don't, don't project onto the world what you think is normal. Everyone I know washes up or puts the dishwasher on straight after they've eaten, then puts their dishes away when they're clean and dried.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Wait, you know folks who regularly run the dishwasher each day?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I do yes

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wow. It usually takes my partner and I two or three days to fill it. I should look up the specifics of the model and see if the energy saving option is worth it for small loads

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago

    Ah that's the issue. The people I know have 2 kids, so it takes half the time to fill the dishwasher.

    Personally I only run the dishwasher when we have people round for food and drinks. Otherwise I wash up the old fashioned way because it saves power.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    yay, the brutal science man to the rescue!

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  • [โ€“] [S] 13 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    But emotionally I couldn't do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn't be able to get over that mental hurdle.

    I know, right? If nothing else it just feels wrong...

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Like those wastewater treatment systems that turn sewage water into cleaner drinking water than we normally use, it still feels icky.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    That's literally how they convinced people to vote against doing it when I lived in L.A. They called it "toilet to tap." Now L.A. is running out of water and suddenly they're desperate to do it.

    Guess what? Animals piss and shit in municipal water supplies that aren't recycled. Constantly.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    They could always opt for refined ocean water. The Arabs and Israelis do it for the past 2 decades or so.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Still people drink tap water. How come?

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    where else would you get drinking water? a water shop? a spring?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago

    What Im trying to get at is that its obviously not that big a hurdle, at least I dont know anyone that regularly complains about feeling nasty drinking tap water. Its just about what people are used to, not reall, about something being unclean or not.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago

    To be clear personally if given the choice I'd rather the recycled piss water than tap water considering it has stricter standards.

    I was just pointing out the ick factor exists whether or not it's logical.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't know about the dishes but according to my memory of something I read a while ago (can't look things up right now), the kitchen sink and kitchen brushes aren't much cleaner than anything in the toilet; and actually, kitchen washcloths/sponges tend to be worse than toilet surfaces.

    So, maybe don't put toilet brushes in the dishwasher but definitely don't put in kitchen washcloths either. Not sure what this means about us washing dishes by hand with a sponge either. And maybe don't put in used washcloths along your clothes in the washing machine.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago

    i would assume the big problem with toilet items is that some quite nasty bugs come out of our bungholes, whereas in the kitchen you'll at worst find salmonella if you don't practice good hygeiene around raw unvaccinated bird products

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    It's not about killing microbes, it's about getting rid of pathogens and spores they create. You can't steam that away. For example, botulinum toxin can withstand up to +85C and botulinum spores can withstand boiling water. No dishwasher will make your stuff safe from botulinum.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago

    Your toilet brushes probably don't have anaerobic bacteria spores on them. To be clear, I think this is properly gross, but I also acknowledge that to some degree this is a marginally irrational preference for keeping food and poop separate. In all likelihood, there is no actual risk of disease from this practice.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    Hot water isn't the only thing cleaning your dishes you know.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yes, but none of the things inside the dishwasher are rated against fece transmited pathogens.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Considering you can find traces of human feces on literally every surface inside a human home, I imagine you mainly need stuff like that for surgery, and surgical items are washed in what is, essentially, a dishwasher.

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