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[The Guardian] There is no moral high ground for Reddit as it seeks to capitalise on user data (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 3 years ago by dimspace@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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CEO Steve Huffman says tech giants should not be able to trawl Reddit’s huge store of data for free. But that information came from users, not the company

That “corpus of data” is the content posted by millions of Reddit users over the decades. It is a fascinating and valuable record of what they were thinking and obsessing about. Not the tiniest fraction of it was created by Huffman, his fellow executives or shareholders. It can only be seen as belonging to them because of whatever skewed “consent” agreement its credulous users felt obliged to click on before they could use the service.

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[–] dan@kbin.social 64 points 3 years ago (20 children)

I don’t really understand this whole fediverse thing yet, but what I do know is… screw Reddit and screw u/spez.

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[–] TGRush@forum.fail 27 points 3 years ago* (14 children)

People often compare the fediverse to E-Mail, for a good reason

E-Mail doesn't need to live all on the same server, or be made by the same provider. I can use ProtonMail, you can use GMail, somebody else can use Outlook, but in the end it doesn't matter, as we can all talk.

The "Fediverse" - short for "The Federated Universe" - follows a similar concept, but it doesn't do this over Email; The Fediverse does this using the ActivityPub standard instead.

Activitypub allows all the servers we have our accounts on (in your case kbin.social and in my case forum.fail) to talk to eachother so that content can show up and be interacted with on ALL servers.

This is also why I - someone from a different server/instance - can reply to your comment and up/downvote it if I want to.

This is essentially all you need to know to get started. To see where somebody's account or a magazine/community is hosted, just hover over their username / check the magazine out. It should have something like @name@server.example. We are currently talking in @lemmyworld@lemmy.world for instance.

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[+] witten@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

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[–] whitehatbofh@lemmy.world 17 points 3 years ago (10 children)

There's no more barrier to spinning up one's own email server than there has ever been. One simply needs, at a minimum, a server in the internet, a DNS domain, and know how.

A server on the internet has never been easier, thanks to cloud providers. In fact, many cloud providers will give you a working email server, so that you don't need to do all the sysadmin things to get software like Bind or Postfix up and running. These hosting providers make it pretty simple run your own personal email server and domain.

The big providers are successful because most folks don't want to stand up their own email server, they just want to use email. But anyone can go it, if they have the time and interest.

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[+] witten@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

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[–] mrspaz@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (6 children)

This is why I gave up trying to run my own email server. It became clear it was turning into a racket quite a while ago. I would hear from someone that they didn't receive an email, so I'd check with their provider and sure enough I'd been blackholed.

I'd go through all the steps to clear everything, re-send the message and it would go. Send a second message and my server was instantly blackholed again for "spamming" or "suspected open relay" or some other reason. All the "Big Guys" as you call them of course carved out exceptions for each other, but no matter how many security signatures or other measures I implemented it was basically an instant lockout.

It got to the point where I was forced to sign on with a "Big" provider for routing.

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[+] witten@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

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[–] minimar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (4 children)

I don't think we need to replace email, we need to not have astronomically big corporations being able to control it.

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[+] witten@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] minimar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I agree corporations won't willingly reliquish their control, but that's why the government steps in! I'm a socialist, so you can imagine how I want that done.

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[+] witten@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] minimar@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

We're working on it! Very slowly...

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[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

The main reason for this is that most mailservers 1st check centralised blacklist providers, then and only then look at spf and dmarc record. When dmarc would be the 1st check and only on it's absence blacklisting (or greylisting) would be applied it would be so much easier. (And I still have to figure out how to do that in postfix)

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[–] spark947@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago

It's not that simple with mail. Most centralized mail servers have strict requirements for domains that they will not sort into spam, and if you are sending a lot of mail from your personal server, you will probably end up on a spam list. I don't do it, so I am not an expert, but hosting your own email server to do anything useful is pretty complicated.

Still, I guess you could argue that this is as it should be, as it prevents people from making spam servers, while still theoretically not being impacted that much for personal use servers. But I don't personally know anyone who seriously hosts their own email server anymore.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

The way I like to explain it is with World of Warcraft. You sign up on a server and go out and mine some copper ore. Your player and that copper ore are only on that one single server. If you wanted to trade it with a friend, they would have to be on that server. However, if you went and posted that copper ore on the auction house, people from dozens of servers can see it and buy it. Those servers are in the ''lemmy'' sense federated with one another, but instead of virtual copper ore, it is cute pictures of cats.

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[–] dimspace@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 3 years ago

I think of it as internet cafe's.

You can choose which cafe you want to use, but once you then connect, you all can view and share the same information.

I can talk one on one with the other people sitting in my cafe, and each cafe may have its own set of rules and regulations over what you can do, how much the coffee is etc, but once logged in we can still share information with people in other cafes..

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