▲ 852 ▼ Price of electricity in Finland peaks at 2.35€/kWh today. Keeping my tiny granny cottage warm costs me over 50 euros for a single day. It's negative 25C (-13F) outside. (i.imgur.com) submitted 2 years ago* by Critical_Insight@feddit.uk to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world 286 comments fedilink hide all child comments That massive spike of 50c/kWh at the left looks tiny compared to today even though that's already insanely expensive
[–] waigl@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get the joke, but in contrast to heating, you can easily just... not run demanding games while the electricity is insanely expensive for a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 66 points 2 years ago* (3 children) It would literally not matter since it all ends up as heat in the end which is what you're looking for anyway Minus 5 watts on the three fans or something permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) My Pc is a good 500W heater with an attached entertainment generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Playing Frostpunk and my PC is literally the generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Man, I need to return to that game. But it's so stressful. Like the main scenario I tried to save everybody, then the game throws 43 children my way... I have to admit, took three minutes to decide what to do. It's very pretty, and the loop is great, I love management games, but this one just hits differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] olosta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Assuming you meant heat and not hear. Upgrading your cooling should not lower the total heat output of your PC (it's more likely to increase it). The only exception is if you somehow send the heat out of the room, but that would be a crazy complicated setup. Your PC always turn the same amount of electric energy into heat energy and dissipate it in the room. if it's more efficient it will cool down the components more, possibly giving them the opportunity to increase frequency further, which increase the power draw, which is turn into more heat that is dissipated in the room. permalink fedilink source parent [–] paholg@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) The electricity from the fans also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hot damn, that's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hot from the damn also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Even if it’s 97% efficient, a heat pump can still easily beat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 2 years ago True that I wish heatpumps ran factorio 😔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) More like 99.99% the only electricity coming into the PC and not heating the house is the very small amount of light and sound leaving the house. Still worse than a heat pump, but pretty efficient at heating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the fans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent [–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago EVs are finally starting to use heat pumps for heating and cooling their batteries (and cabin climate), I wonder how long before that’s available for PCs? Just need a little hole saw to get an evaporator/condenser outside. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago But running the 4090 would keep your cottage warm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 66 points 2 years ago* (3 children) It would literally not matter since it all ends up as heat in the end which is what you're looking for anyway Minus 5 watts on the three fans or something permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) My Pc is a good 500W heater with an attached entertainment generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Playing Frostpunk and my PC is literally the generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Man, I need to return to that game. But it's so stressful. Like the main scenario I tried to save everybody, then the game throws 43 children my way... I have to admit, took three minutes to decide what to do. It's very pretty, and the loop is great, I love management games, but this one just hits differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] olosta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Assuming you meant heat and not hear. Upgrading your cooling should not lower the total heat output of your PC (it's more likely to increase it). The only exception is if you somehow send the heat out of the room, but that would be a crazy complicated setup. Your PC always turn the same amount of electric energy into heat energy and dissipate it in the room. if it's more efficient it will cool down the components more, possibly giving them the opportunity to increase frequency further, which increase the power draw, which is turn into more heat that is dissipated in the room. permalink fedilink source parent [–] paholg@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) The electricity from the fans also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hot damn, that's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hot from the damn also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Even if it’s 97% efficient, a heat pump can still easily beat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 2 years ago True that I wish heatpumps ran factorio 😔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) More like 99.99% the only electricity coming into the PC and not heating the house is the very small amount of light and sound leaving the house. Still worse than a heat pump, but pretty efficient at heating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the fans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent [–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago EVs are finally starting to use heat pumps for heating and cooling their batteries (and cabin climate), I wonder how long before that’s available for PCs? Just need a little hole saw to get an evaporator/condenser outside. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) My Pc is a good 500W heater with an attached entertainment generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Playing Frostpunk and my PC is literally the generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Man, I need to return to that game. But it's so stressful. Like the main scenario I tried to save everybody, then the game throws 43 children my way... I have to admit, took three minutes to decide what to do. It's very pretty, and the loop is great, I love management games, but this one just hits differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] olosta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Assuming you meant heat and not hear. Upgrading your cooling should not lower the total heat output of your PC (it's more likely to increase it). The only exception is if you somehow send the heat out of the room, but that would be a crazy complicated setup. Your PC always turn the same amount of electric energy into heat energy and dissipate it in the room. if it's more efficient it will cool down the components more, possibly giving them the opportunity to increase frequency further, which increase the power draw, which is turn into more heat that is dissipated in the room. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Playing Frostpunk and my PC is literally the generator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Man, I need to return to that game. But it's so stressful. Like the main scenario I tried to save everybody, then the game throws 43 children my way... I have to admit, took three minutes to decide what to do. It's very pretty, and the loop is great, I love management games, but this one just hits differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Man, I need to return to that game. But it's so stressful. Like the main scenario I tried to save everybody, then the game throws 43 children my way... I have to admit, took three minutes to decide what to do. It's very pretty, and the loop is great, I love management games, but this one just hits differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the beauty: you have to make the tough choices for the greater good and future of the town. I've been playing a dozen hours a week for a few months and finally have somewhat of a feel for how to start building the town at the beginning so it doesn't screw me over later. I initially didn't like it when I got it for free on Epic, now it's one of my favorite games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago I bought it, because I saw some recommendations. I even played some on my Steam Deck. But the PC experience is the best, though I moved to OpenTTD after the first scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agreed. Visually beautiful and morally hard. So difficult to save everyone but I loved it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I got it through a giveaway and when I was going to start playing, my cat died and it was just too heavy for me at that frame of mind. It's been a couple of years now, though. I should give it another go. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] olosta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Assuming you meant heat and not hear. Upgrading your cooling should not lower the total heat output of your PC (it's more likely to increase it). The only exception is if you somehow send the heat out of the room, but that would be a crazy complicated setup. Your PC always turn the same amount of electric energy into heat energy and dissipate it in the room. if it's more efficient it will cool down the components more, possibly giving them the opportunity to increase frequency further, which increase the power draw, which is turn into more heat that is dissipated in the room. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olosta@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Assuming you meant heat and not hear. Upgrading your cooling should not lower the total heat output of your PC (it's more likely to increase it). The only exception is if you somehow send the heat out of the room, but that would be a crazy complicated setup. Your PC always turn the same amount of electric energy into heat energy and dissipate it in the room. if it's more efficient it will cool down the components more, possibly giving them the opportunity to increase frequency further, which increase the power draw, which is turn into more heat that is dissipated in the room. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] paholg@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) The electricity from the fans also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hot damn, that's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hot from the damn also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hot damn, that's true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hot from the damn also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The hot from the damn also ends up as heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cool! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No. Hot. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Even if it’s 97% efficient, a heat pump can still easily beat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 2 years ago True that I wish heatpumps ran factorio 😔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) More like 99.99% the only electricity coming into the PC and not heating the house is the very small amount of light and sound leaving the house. Still worse than a heat pump, but pretty efficient at heating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the fans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent [–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago EVs are finally starting to use heat pumps for heating and cooling their batteries (and cabin climate), I wonder how long before that’s available for PCs? Just need a little hole saw to get an evaporator/condenser outside. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 points 2 years ago True that I wish heatpumps ran factorio 😔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) More like 99.99% the only electricity coming into the PC and not heating the house is the very small amount of light and sound leaving the house. Still worse than a heat pump, but pretty efficient at heating. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the fans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What about the fans? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Their waste is heat. They might waste some energy by sending air out of the house, but any energy they impart on air eventually becomes heat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago EVs are finally starting to use heat pumps for heating and cooling their batteries (and cabin climate), I wonder how long before that’s available for PCs? Just need a little hole saw to get an evaporator/condenser outside. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago But running the 4090 would keep your cottage warm. permalink fedilink source parent
