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[–] 84 points 2 years ago (60 children)

Flip it around - why would you work a job, any job, where you don't know your pay until after the work is done?

"Tipping" is rich-people speak for shifting the expense (and blame) to the customer.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago* (43 children)

    They already know the pay. If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    You realize that gig economy is the neoliberal slang for a poverty class work, but without the rights of workers, right?

    So you're criticizing people who are forced by the system in which we live, to be ordered around by a fucking algorithm, and then take abuse from people who have enough money to NOT work in the gig economy, but no where near enough to actually own the servant class they get off on abusing.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You realize that the gig economy is not my responsibility, right? I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid. I'm criticizing the exploiters for underpaying their workers. If you can't pay your workers enough, that is not my fault. You are not entitled to exploit anyone for your personal gain.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If the pay isn't enough without the tip, then maybe they should consider getting a different job.

    I'm not criticizing the workers for being underpaid.

    Study: When questioned about continuing to work for poverty wages, gig workers across the nation respond with resounding "guess I just didn't think about it because I'm so goddamned stupid" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    The first statement was meant as in these delivery services don't deserve to keep their workers. They should instead look for a better job that will pay them properly. But that's what these delivery services do...prey on the vulnerable that are desperate which is why there should be laws protecting them.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I agree with you completely but at the same time I have disdain for gig workers because they all seem to operate under an entirely different set of traffic laws and social conventions. At least where I live.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    The pay is about $2 per order, regardless of mileage. Dashers can typically complete 2-3 orders per hour, and pay for their own fuel. The base pay is absolutely not worth it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    They are paid approximately $4 to $6 per hour, and yet some people are still defending the practice and asking customers to pay extra on top of the food and the $10+ delivery charge...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Given their compensation model, all I can say is that if you are not willing to tip, and/or you are not willing to tip ahead of time, you absolutely should not use the service at all.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Tips are no longer tips and companies have successfully forced us to pay their employees for them.

    It's not the customer's fault. In addition to us paying their wages we have to trust some rando to do a good job with zero evidence they will.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If they don't fulfill your expectations, you inform DoorDash. They hand out full refunds like candy.

    That "rando" is not a DoorDash employee. You're hiring a contractor through a broker, not asking a restaurant to send a waitress to your table.

    The employee-waitress can't refuse you service without getting herself fired, but a contractor-driver can tell you exactly where and how far to shove your bullshit offer.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I don't understand what point you're trying to make. I realize they aren't employees. That's the root of the problem. They should be employees and paid by their employer. If they can't run their business that way, then that clearly shows that it's an exploitative and shitty business model that shouldn't exist in the first place.

    I do not appreciate Doordash offloading its responsibility of paying and "disciplining" its workers onto customers. Do you honestly have no problem with that?

    They hand out refunds like candy.

    That is assuming that I have the time and remember to do this, not to mention that I shouldn't have to do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The point of tipping (to the tipper) is to show appreciation for the quality of service you received. If service is shit, you don't get tipped as much.

    Tipping before you get the service means quality of service plays no part in the transaction.

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