A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister's children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

"They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store," Gualtieri said.

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[–] 119 points 2 years ago (22 children)

Jesus.

The 14 year old brother shot his 23 year old sister.

Then the 15 year old brother shot the 14 year old brother, and disposed of the handgun.

The 23 year old sister is dead. The 14 year old brother is stable.

The 14 year old is being charged with first degree murder. The 15 year old is being charged with attempted first degree murder.

The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Everything about this is messed up and tragic

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    ...and preventable. Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

    Emotional humans should not have access to firearms, except under exceptional circumstances.

    The US military knows this and it's why most people on military bases are not allowed to walk around armed, though they all have access to weapons when necessary.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    They also shouldn’t be out stealing cars.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Guns shouldn't be in cars if they're not at least locked somehow

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    And if your gun is stolen from your car, civil liability should remain attached to you in perpetuity. Teach you to lose your fucking gun.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    As a gun owner, yea I fucking agree. Get a co cenceal carry and carry that shit in and out of the car. Di not leave and and do not leave it visible. Responsible gun owners don't have any of these issues. But look at the area the kids were in and the illegal shit they were already doing, that shit is being overlook by almost everyone here just cause a gun was involved. Ffs.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    honestly if your gun is stolen you should be charged with anything that happens with it too. thats actually genius no sarcasm. and an extra charge that it was able to be stolen in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Stuff getting stolen is a fact of life no matter how secure. Maybe in cases of negligence, but if it's locked up then someone breaking the lock shouldn't mean you're considered a party to the crime they use it for

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    if you dont want that risk then you shouldn't own the gun. simple as

    if shootings keep happening everywhere everyday and they're all from illegal or stolen guns there's clearly an issue with legal gun owners too. get rid of all of them.

    some school in not US had a shooting of like 10 people and that was national travesty due to there never being anything like it before. in the US? that shooting is a goddamn wednesday afternoon.

    youre an embarrassment if you support guns.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This whole thing is tragic and beyond dumb.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The 23 year old sister had 2 children, one of which was already 6 years old, if my reading skills aren't failing me.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    This reads like a shitty math problem.

    Jamal, 14M, shoots his 23 year old sister, Abriele, dead. Abriele had a 6 year old son How many years will it take for the 6 year old to be old enough to kill his Uncle in cold blood on Christmas? And what age will Jamal be?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

    I thought you said "armed", and if only... if that kid had been packing he could have been the good guy with a gun who would have mowed down all the bad guys and saved the day.

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