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A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister's children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

"They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store," Gualtieri said.

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[–] [email protected] 175 points 10 months ago (109 children)

Just as the architects of the Constitution intended

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 10 months ago (25 children)

Fuck the United States. Only place in the world this fucking shit happens regularly , because a bunch of small dick Republicans won't give up their guns.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Republicans were so lucky to find the gun issue

They don't give a shit about guns. But at long as they can keep their voters riled up about it, they won't have the time to think about real issues like why they're so poor, why they will go bankrupt if they get really sick, etc etc etc.

Guns is like religion, it's just another method of control where the target doesn't even know they're being controlled

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

There was a time when the NRA fought for a two-day waiting period on handgun sales and limits on concealed weapons permits. And a time when then–California Governor Ronald Reagan signed legislation forbidding the carrying of loaded firearms in public. Before gun control became a progressive cause, it was a right-wing staple, and it was aimed squarely at the rights of African-Americans nationwide.

In Florida, white "citizens patrols" were permitted to search the homes of free African-Americans for guns "and other offensive or improper weapons, and may lawfully seize and take away such arms, weapons, and ammunition." The message was clear: guns — like the ballot box, marriage, and the right to free assembly — were for white Americans only.

That conflict — between the fears of racist whites and the needs of African-Americans to defend themselves — arose again in the late 1960s. The leaders of the Civil Rights Movement recognized that the need for self-defense still existed — in fact, Martin Luther King Jr. applied for (and was denied) a concealed carry permit. Recounting his memories of "Freedom Summer" and the Civil Rights Movement, Charles E. Cobb Jr., former field secretary of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, said, "I know from personal experience and the experiences of others, that guns kept people alive, kept communities safe, and all you have to do to understand this is simply think of black people as human beings and they're gonna respond to terrorism the way anybody else would."

On May 2, 1967, a group of Black Panthers took to the steps of the California Legislature carrying revolvers, shotguns, and pistols and read a statement saying, "The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late." In a direct response to the incident, Governor Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, banning the open carry of loaded weapons, barely two months later. Guns were "a ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will," he said.

As former NRA president Harlon Carter said in 1975, the use of guns by violent criminals or the mentally ill was simply the "price we pay for freedom." In 1980, the NRA endorsed Ronald Reagan — 13 years after Reagan had signed the first open-carry ban in the country.

White people may be more likely to carry a gun, but black people are more likely to be jailed for it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Exactly. And they keep sowing this myth that the guns will be taken away at any point in time, but "you should keep them in case we become tyrannical!" And the definition of what is and isn't tyranny is always subject to change, but usually if it's tyranny against people the base doesn't like, then it's not tyranny.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Jesus.

The 14 year old brother shot his 23 year old sister.

Then the 15 year old brother shot the 14 year old brother, and disposed of the handgun.

The 23 year old sister is dead. The 14 year old brother is stable.

The 14 year old is being charged with first degree murder. The 15 year old is being charged with attempted first degree murder.

The sister had a child, which was not harmed.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Everything about this is messed up and tragic

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

...and preventable. Emotional teenagers should not have access to firearms!

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This whole thing is tragic and beyond dumb.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It would be tragic if this didn't feel like reading a weather report.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 10 months ago (1 children)

More guns in the hands of the other children would have kept this travesty from occurring. #hopesandprayers

'Murica!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

If the 11-month old was armed, all this could have been stopped!

[–] [email protected] 99 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The bullet traveled through her left arm and into her chest, popping both of her lungs. She suffered internal bleeding and was unable to breathe

That's the nice way of saying she drowned in her own blood.

"These young kids — 14, 15 years old — routinely carry firearms and this is what happens when you got young delinquents that carry guns," Gualtieri said. "They get upset, they don't know how to handle stuff, and they end up shooting each other."

Just FYI, this is not limited to children. There's plenty of adults who have zero idea on how to handle stress without flashing a piece. I've seen about six different people use that as a method of indicating I'm getting over in your lane on my way into work pre-pandemic.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (16 children)

I’m pretty gullible and I believe a lot of stuff. So I’m asking this sincerely.

Are you saying that in America people are tapping their widow with a Glock and giving you the stink eye to get into your lane? Like, instead of indicating and then waiting for a safe gap?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (18 children)

America is pretty big, and that isn't something that happens where I live (Seattle)

But there are parts of this country where a surprisingly large percentage of people are completely fucking insane and peacock with weapons in reckless ways. It also isn't unusual for children to have guns, even if it isn't legal.

There's a high school in rural Colorado that has given up on doing anything about guns in their high school because something like 30% of students are armed on any given day.

I grew up in Tennessee, and students were allowed to store guns in their cars parked in the high school parking lot.

I have met many people who open-carry and then openly emphasize it to others because they want to be intimidating. It's a part of their identity, and they will let you know in inappropriate ways.

This country is weird. I'm happy to live in a less violent part of it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've never seen someone flash a gun in my almost 30 years in the US.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 10 months ago (7 children)

15-year-old brother and sister's children

This sentence is a great argument for the Oxford comma.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Go into any of the relationship subreddits today and for the next few days and you will see countless Americans melting down into various degrees of rage and bitterness over Xmas presents.

It’s like this very goddamn year.

Can anyone explain this part of the culture to me?

I’m not saying I hate all Americans or anything ridiculous like that, the cast majority of Americans I’ve met are good hearted people but when it comes to Xmas and in what I’m given understand is the modern vernacular: “y’all cray.”

Don’t any of your families still watch the Charlie Brown Christmas? Because you really should.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago

Go toxic places to read toxic things. I've never heard of this. But also I can't imagine going to a relationship board and expecting to come away with anything but misanthropy regardless of time of year.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Materialism is really big with a lot of people. My in-laws kids are spoiled rotten and only accept big brand name stuff because that's all their parents give them for Christmas and Birthdays. Same people who can't afford to pay their mortgage and are likely to lose the house in a few months.

I like present-less holidays. Better to focus on just being with people I find. Also helps if there's a lot of good, homemade food.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

I like present-less holidays. Better to focus on just being with people I find.

presence > presents

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (17 children)

There are 335 million people in the United States.

One asshat shot someone.

I'm not defending guns, shitty culture, or shitty people, but this is clearly a case where this kid has some sort of mental disorder. Literally hundreds of millions of families watched Charlie Brown and went the entire holiday without murdering each other

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (13 children)

There were 89 shootings in the united states on Christmas day. Source with incident reports for each one.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (20 children)

That's it no more guns... For minors that is.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If only there was a good sibling with a gun to stop him...

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Three years ago I had to stop my 17 year-old adopted sister from hitting our elderly mother over $30 of missing Amazon crap on Christmas day, then I called the sheriff on she and her baby daddy. Five cars came to mediate the situation.

Needless to say, I don't go to family Christmases anymore.

Families suck.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (11 children)

Strict liability for whoever was the legal owner of the gun(s), I say.

Whoever let these children get their hands on the firearm is absolutely a murderer. Even if it someone who let their gun get stolen from their car. Definitely if it was a family member or friend.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

And Florida’s answer to this, along with so much of the country, is more guns. Absolute insanity

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