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Under Argentina’s New President, Fuel Is Up 60%, and Diaper Prices Have Doubled (www.nytimes.com)
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[–] 11 points 2 years ago* (18 children)

Well, I guess we'll see. Currently I don't really see how privatizing everything and opening real estate market to foreign investors helps poor children but maybe it will. My guess is that when the private corporations take over everything they will squeeze even more money out of the poor but maybe the wealth will somehow trickle down. It's definitely an interesting experiment. My other guess is that if this fails all the libertarians will say that it's because he implemented all the policies they like so much wrong. If he succeeds I'm definitely voting for the right wing nutjobs in the next elections.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The historical record shows that there are no maybes about this. It’s obviously not an “interesting experiment.” There’s no sense in giving these rhetorical inches while they’re taking miles.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What historical record? Can you point to another country taking such a extreme turn to the right while being in similar situation? And not being met with sanctions like in Afghanistan for example. I'm genuinely curious.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Shock therapy in Russia after USSR breaking up, maybe?

    That was more extreme, since it was not a transition from left-wing liberal democracy to right-wing liberal democracy, but from bureaucratic planned economy to a pretense at liberal democracy.

    Still some examples may apply.

    Say, if things state-owned or state-managed in Argentina now get privatized, one can look at the specific mechanism and whether it'll be similar to what happened in Russia.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I guess the right wing theory is that the president makes Argentina a great place to do business, business people rush in, and wealth trickles down.

    But, that "trickle down" idea doesn't ever seem to have actually worked anywhere. Maybe the best Argentina can hope for is that at one point when the economy is booming, the working people suddenly form or join unions and the companies decide it's too risky / expensive to leave, so they negotiate with those unions.

    OTOH, these days it's so easy to move corporations around to wherever the laws are the most corporation-friendly. So, even if somehow the new president does make corporations want to do more business in Argentina, it's hard to see how the people of Argentina will really benefit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I would agree if Argentina wasn't so fucked right now. The goal is not to make Argentina great but to get out of crisis. I think what can happen is that all this drastic cuts and price hikes will lower inflation and stabilize the economy. With inflation under control and normal interest rates people will be able to start saving money again, take out mortgages and import goods. This could improve their situation if public services survive but my guess is they will end up fully owned by foreign capital at the end.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I think what can happen is that all this drastic cuts and price hikes will lower inflation and stabilize the economy

    It might, or it might not. The thing with inflation is that it's based on people's expectations as much as anything else. People have to believe that inflation will go away before it goes away.

    The new president has one thing going for him, which is that he's not a continuation of the previous administration. That means there's a chance that people will believe that he's actually making serious reforms. If they'd stuck with a prime minister who was the finance minister when the inflation was going nuts, I don't think anybody would have believed that things were going to improve, which meant they wouldn't improve.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    But, that “trickle down” idea doesn’t ever seem to have actually worked anywhere.

    If you look at Switzerland, it does, just takes long.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    That's not what's happening in Switzerland. Switzerland just has a weird niche as a tax haven.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    I meant "last few centuries" by "long", in that context your answer is invalid.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If he succeeds I’m definitely voting for the right wing nutjobs in the next elections.

    Uh, I saved this comment of yours for that one sentence.

    My views are rather libertarian, but I wouldn't trust most of the real life libertarians (too trusting into thousands of shitcoins or excited with reading sci-fi and busy writing and discussing articles about mechanisms of anarchy in the ancap meaning of the word).

    However, if it comes to you voting for the "right wing nutjobs", please remember that GOP in USA is not libertarian in any way, no more than Ukraine's ruling party which uses the word sometimes.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I don't live in USA. I would be voting for Konfederacja in Poland which has similar, libertarian ideas as Milei. They are always dismissed as idiots (and I tend to agree) but if Milei fixes Argentina I'm ready to eat crow and give them a chance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Well, for the next 10-20 years I doubt I'll have the option of participating in a real vote, not without a revolution. So wishing you well and wishing Argentinians well, what is described should work in theory, but it's just too sharp a turn.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago*

    I would be voting for Konfederacja in Poland which has similar, libertarian ideas as Milei.

    They are in a solid chummy political party with neonazis and monarchists for years. This alone should tell you what kind of libertarians they really are.

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