▲ 787 ▼ More couples are choosing a ‘dual income, no kids’ lifestyle (www.cnbc.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 334 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (5 children) Those with higher income levels are the ones deciding to have less kids, whereas those with the lowest incomes are the ones having more. Source If people are being forced into not having children for economic reasons, wouldn't it be the opposite? But I don't disagree about it being in the best interest of my future children not to exist with the way things are heading lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Didn't a 2006 documentary explore something like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kill_John_Lennon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I remember it also had some surprising findings about electrolytes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Camacho was smarter than some candidates today as they are willing to let the SMEs handle shit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If having kids causes you to be poorer what would the results look like? The reality is that the more kids you have the worse you are at capitalism: You can't work as much, you can't take on more demanding jobs and you'll make life choices that are less lucrative to care for the kids. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but you also don't get trashed at the bars every weekend and you live longer healthier life. It isn't as clear cut as you are making it. I agree being a dad has hurt parts of my career but it has probably helped other parts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago Can only speak for myself, but thankfully I have no interest in more demanding, lucrative jobs to improve my stats in such a rigged and inherently evil game as modern capitalism. Doing just well enough with a loving family sounds well-lived to me. They can keep their McMansions and rooftop wine tastings. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mattreb@feddit.it 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The source you linked tells that more developed countries have less kids, which is almost unrelated to how "affordable" having a child is, which infact have the opposite trend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Here is a source for within the USA. The more money one makes, the more free they are to make the choice not to have children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattreb@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks much better, however "Correlation does not imply causation" which is obvious in this case (and as the source itself say, the correlation is probably about education instead etc). The problem is much more complex and trying to explain it with a simple correlation is a bit naive, however you can't deny how much of an economic struggle raising a kid is for the average income family.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I never claimed having kids wasn't a financial endeavor. I'm just pointing out that people with more income have on average less kids... because they do. I didn't suppose the cause of this correlation at any point. But yes, I'd agree education is a huge part of the cause of this correlation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Could it be its more lucrative to not have children? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eximius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* When contraception is expensive, career paths look bleak (or non-existent) and sex is the one fun activity you have... surprisedpikachu.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Didn't a 2006 documentary explore something like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kill_John_Lennon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I remember it also had some surprising findings about electrolytes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Camacho was smarter than some candidates today as they are willing to let the SMEs handle shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kill_John_Lennon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes I remember it also had some surprising findings about electrolytes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Camacho was smarter than some candidates today as they are willing to let the SMEs handle shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Camacho was smarter than some candidates today as they are willing to let the SMEs handle shit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If having kids causes you to be poorer what would the results look like? The reality is that the more kids you have the worse you are at capitalism: You can't work as much, you can't take on more demanding jobs and you'll make life choices that are less lucrative to care for the kids. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but you also don't get trashed at the bars every weekend and you live longer healthier life. It isn't as clear cut as you are making it. I agree being a dad has hurt parts of my career but it has probably helped other parts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago Can only speak for myself, but thankfully I have no interest in more demanding, lucrative jobs to improve my stats in such a rigged and inherently evil game as modern capitalism. Doing just well enough with a loving family sounds well-lived to me. They can keep their McMansions and rooftop wine tastings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah but you also don't get trashed at the bars every weekend and you live longer healthier life. It isn't as clear cut as you are making it. I agree being a dad has hurt parts of my career but it has probably helped other parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago Can only speak for myself, but thankfully I have no interest in more demanding, lucrative jobs to improve my stats in such a rigged and inherently evil game as modern capitalism. Doing just well enough with a loving family sounds well-lived to me. They can keep their McMansions and rooftop wine tastings. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattreb@feddit.it 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) The source you linked tells that more developed countries have less kids, which is almost unrelated to how "affordable" having a child is, which infact have the opposite trend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Here is a source for within the USA. The more money one makes, the more free they are to make the choice not to have children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattreb@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks much better, however "Correlation does not imply causation" which is obvious in this case (and as the source itself say, the correlation is probably about education instead etc). The problem is much more complex and trying to explain it with a simple correlation is a bit naive, however you can't deny how much of an economic struggle raising a kid is for the average income family.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I never claimed having kids wasn't a financial endeavor. I'm just pointing out that people with more income have on average less kids... because they do. I didn't suppose the cause of this correlation at any point. But yes, I'd agree education is a huge part of the cause of this correlation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Here is a source for within the USA. The more money one makes, the more free they are to make the choice not to have children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattreb@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks much better, however "Correlation does not imply causation" which is obvious in this case (and as the source itself say, the correlation is probably about education instead etc). The problem is much more complex and trying to explain it with a simple correlation is a bit naive, however you can't deny how much of an economic struggle raising a kid is for the average income family.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I never claimed having kids wasn't a financial endeavor. I'm just pointing out that people with more income have on average less kids... because they do. I didn't suppose the cause of this correlation at any point. But yes, I'd agree education is a huge part of the cause of this correlation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattreb@feddit.it 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks much better, however "Correlation does not imply causation" which is obvious in this case (and as the source itself say, the correlation is probably about education instead etc). The problem is much more complex and trying to explain it with a simple correlation is a bit naive, however you can't deny how much of an economic struggle raising a kid is for the average income family.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I never claimed having kids wasn't a financial endeavor. I'm just pointing out that people with more income have on average less kids... because they do. I didn't suppose the cause of this correlation at any point. But yes, I'd agree education is a huge part of the cause of this correlation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago I never claimed having kids wasn't a financial endeavor. I'm just pointing out that people with more income have on average less kids... because they do. I didn't suppose the cause of this correlation at any point. But yes, I'd agree education is a huge part of the cause of this correlation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Could it be its more lucrative to not have children? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eximius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* When contraception is expensive, career paths look bleak (or non-existent) and sex is the one fun activity you have... surprisedpikachu.jpg permalink fedilink source parent