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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The math you're using is a tad hyperbolic. 1 to 3% of 88 bomblets is not 2-3 duds, in fact it is less than 1 to 3. If you're thinking about 10 shells we can do math with better precision, and the result is less than 30, it is 9 to 26. Nevertheless, the failure rate I've seen elsewhere is 2.76%, so for 10 shells that is 24 duds. At this stage you might think 24, 30, it's almost the same.. But also dud bomblets are not equivalent to mines. On the short term they are most definitely not like mines. On the long term, on the context of managing their danger, they can be thought of as mines, like mines left on a field for a long time. Some blow up, some don't. Nobody wants them on their yard.

In all cases I'd use them in my yard if it helped me fight a murderous sadistic thief out of my stuff. If only just to disincentivize their murderous sadistic thieving actions from attacking my neighbours and other people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel my comment is not being taken as I intended. Ukrain and Russia have both been using Russian cluster bombs all along. Russian ones supposedly have a 40% failure rate.

With the US shells they will be using them selectively, just as they have been with their old ones. They can crack open the US ones and drop the individual ones with drones as well.

It's a good thing they will have the US bombs now. It's better all around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, I did assume something else. Assumptions are always a problem; they seem so obvious...

Thanks for your considerate answer.

I don't think the cluster ammo willl be used any other way than with a howitzer. I don't think there is a shortage of production of grenades. A shortage of shells, yes, and it might just be to mitigate that. Might. That would not be great news for Ukraine.