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This scene always drove me nuts. It seems so unrealistic that a ship could survive crash landing onto the planet like that.
You're looking for realism in a film about space wizards?
The technology isn’t presented as magical so yes. Just because people can move objects with their mind doesn’t mean gravity doesn’t exist.
Suspension of disbelief only works if it feels like you’re trying to make the system consistent. If you start doing whatever you want because the story isn’t entirely based on our reality then it becomes an uninteresting story
The technology isn’t presented as magical..?
Kyber crystal? Hyper lanes? FTL? THE FORCE? Star Wars is sci-fi in flavouring only. There’s no sci in that fi at all. And that’s ok, that’s not the point of the stories.
Star Wars is technically more a space opera than a sci fi.
Space opera is sci fi.
As a note… in many countries and languages there is no distinction between fantasy and sci fi. Sci fi is just modernist, scientificism inspired fantasy. Eventually hard sci fi came to be, and overtook most of the genre, but there are no requirements for sci fi to “make scientific sense”. It just has to have space, robots, lasers etc.
I mean, if you go by how the genre was born and all.
Everything but the force is explained in similar ways to any other sci-fi tech. And the force isn’t tech, it’s space magic. Just because it’s not an explanation we can use in real life doesn’t mean it’s not being presented as part of the natural world of that reality.
Maybe I’m uninformed. What are the scientific explanations for lightsabers and kyber crystals? For hyper lanes and FTL?
FTL is achieved by using manufactured engines to propel a ship faster than the speed of light.
Hyper lanes are created by doing an FTL jump and not running into any hazards, designating the path you just took as a hyper lane.
Kyber crystals seem to be an intersection between technology and magic from my research though so you’re half right here. The crystals are naturally forming conduits that channel magic force energy and vibrate to generate the blade of the weapon.
All of these things were researched in the last 5 minutes. You could’ve known this stuff yourself if you actually felt like looking it up.
Don’t you think saying “they can go FTL by building engines that go FTL” is not very scientific?
That isn’t an actual scientific explanation.
But that’s not the point of Star Wars. Sure a lot of stuff that is now Legenda did try to make a bit more sense of things. But never too much, because it would take away the magic of it.
It feels like a medieval fantasy world of knights, dark wizards (and racism I guess), but in space. Too much science would lose the fairy tale vibes.
It’s like expecting Dune to explain the physics behind the “Voice”. Dune is supposed to be this incomprehensible and distant tale, like reading from the first papyri from Egypt. It’s supposed to be mysterious and familiar but alien. Diving into the “science” of things in the way we understand science would kill the vibe.
Sounds like you think dune was pretty unscientific for not describing the chemical makeup of spice. Still a science fiction story. You don’t have to spell out every detail of a tech for it to be scientific in a fictional story. You seem to understand this in bringing up dune even.
What medieval fantasy world has world war 2 styled flying combat? I think your read is way off base. It’s science fantasy, a blend of common fantasy and sci fi. There are attempts to give scientific explanations to concepts that aren’t magical like FTL and there are mystical explanations given for things that are magical like the force.
Bottom line is that even fantasy needs some grounding or the story becomes uninteresting and hard to follow. It’s a space fantasy but that doesn’t mean technology is absent from the world.
Btw the explanation I gave for FTL is what was said if it in the original trilogy so don’t act like it’s not firmly established.
Yes, it’s science fantasy. I mean that’s what I also meant by sci fi and fantasy being under the same category in many countries and languages.
Sci fi is not about scientific accuracy. It was born in the time of scientificism, of science as a mystical force almost. Sci fi is more about space lasers and robots than science.
Hard sci fi that actually takes science into account is a later development.
Star Wars is closer to the “traditional” sci fi ideas than hard sci fi. And that’s the only thing I was saying.
Repulsorlifts are magical. They levitate ships with no external outputs. They're also perfectly well suited to explain how a fragment of a ship can crash from a high altitude without being destroyed. As an anti-gravity device, repulsorlifts can greatly reduce or eliminate the need for any orbital velocity, making re-entry much more viable. And in the same vein, they can reduce a ship's effective gravitational mass enough that its terminal velocity is survivable.
They are not magical. It took me 3 seconds to look up that it’s tech with an in universe explanation.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Repulsorlift#:~:text=Repulsorlift%20was%20a%20technology%20that,a%20planet's%20natural%20gravitational%20field.
They're not magical in-world, just like how Jedi aren't actually wizards, but Force users. But they are just as magical as the Force is with respect to the real world.
Space Poppins casts disintegrate at your suspension of disbelief
... that is for children?
Idk how sturdy the warships are built, an f-15 landed with only one wing without even noticing, just some sluggish handling.
Maybe these ships had so much reserve shielding an backup controll authority that they could land it even as it was disintegrating? Anyway, I always found it awesome rather than emersion breaking.
Repulsorlifts are the technology that enables ships to hover and fly the way they do. There are typically many across a ship's structure for redundancy and handling reasons.
Not to mention that there were two Jedi on board, both of whom would probably be using the Force to pull the ship into a safer crash. We've seen Jedi use force powers strong enough to manipulate ships before, so this is not out of the question.
If only it were 2 jedi masters they probably wouldn't have crashed at all
If it were a single EU Jedi master, the ship wouldn't have crashed at all.
I would love to see a high production value movie with the full power of the Jedi/Sith, complete with them ripping star destroyers out of the sky, guiding their ships through hyperspace with the Force alone and closing black holes.
The Dark Lord of the Sith is on board too, ya know