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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What about a change in the West? In order to avoid another Afganistán, Irak, Sirya, Libya and so on...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why you mean by this. A change in Russia from the West?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, the question assumes that Putin is s problem (a bad guy) and almost ask his dead.

Everything is more complex, and if Putin is a bad guy...what about wéstern politicians and their crimes?

I do not like that position: the "West" is right, the rest of the world is not. That is one of the untold premises of the question.

Edit: i am not an english speaker, perhaps my writing is not clear enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Definitely but that's unrelated to Putin and his direct actions. The OP's question also doesn't mention anything about West right Putin wrong, they are just asking what's going to happen if Putin is no more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why is that question possible?

"that's unrelated to Putin and his direct actions", if not related, why? Why asking about assassinated political leader?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I meant to say whatever the West leaders are doing does not pertain to the question. The question is not about them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those kind of questions can not be made without context, it is not a game of words without consequences. If it is a game, just to waste time posting in this or any social network, let's stop here.

It is about a real person, who is a leader, whose murder would spark grave consequences. And that leader actions, like taking the decision of going to war or not, are related to decisions made by other leaders. Right now there is a campaign demonizing that leader, and that campaign normalizes ideas mirrored by that kind of questions. There lots of memes, jokes and things like that asking for Putin's dead.

If i asked, what would happen if Donald Trump were assassinated? Or Biden, or Xi Jing Pin, Erdogan, etc? At this moment when all media are strugling to influence public opinion? It won't be a futile harmless game.

It pertains to the whole picture. IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The question is purely speculative. Try swapping Putin for any western leader and then answer the actual question if it helps.

I can speculate easily what will happen if Biden is assassinated because the probability of anything is not zero. The VP will take his place and so on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So, your position as i understand it: it is just words.

My position: words related to real world are not just words, they have meaning, purpose, intention and consequences.

Edit: if USA president is assassinated VP takes the place, is that all what would happen? ASSASSINATED, not by sickness or accident🤔.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, assassinated, because things happen and no, I do not intend to assassinate anyone just because I use this word. And because things happen, there are contingency plans written for such scenarios, in every country. Do you think that national security services shy away from this because God forbid they talk about it?

Here's what happens when the president is no more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

I could speculate further that there's always a possibility of unplanned action or power imbalance, or infighting etc etc that may further complicate things, but the bottom line is things of all kinds happen and they will continue to happen regardless of whether I talk about them or not.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

1- i did not write you intent yo kill anyone, just you are adding your contribution to a toxic environment of manipulation, if you intended or not i do not know.

2- i did not object on religious or moral grounds.

3- you did not ask for a legal answer, that would be too easy. Your question is open ended in order to obtain arguments based on different personal grounds, mine are based on: a) critical thinking. b) been fed up (sorry, do not remember a softer expression) reading such ideas. c) been on the reciving end of that media manipulation, because Putin is not the only political leader who faces this. There are too many in the world, and with them their peoples share the burden of the consequences.

4- last, i am not going to argue about this forever, do not want to win any argument. If you want to feel you are right and me wrong go ahead and be happy.