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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Calling a gun a tool is intentionally misleading. A gun's sole purpose is as a weapon, using it any other way is a misuse of that "tool". Whereas knives have various practical purposes. Which was obviously the purpose of my initial reply.

In some cases, yes, having a gun is entirely legitimate (assuming used safely) such as protection from dangerous wildlife. But the number of legitimate cases does not even come close to justifying the number of guns, or the gun culture, in America. Violence doesn't happen in a vacuum, the presence of guns, the acceptance of gun culture, and the normalization of gun violence are things that contribute to the frequency of gun crime.

The removal of guns, and restricting of them to legitimate use cases IS dealing with the underlying social issues. But it's definitely only part of the solution, that alone is not enough, but nothing else will have a strong effect while so many guns are on the streets and easily accessible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've avoiding the question.

Would you be open to solutions that do not involve removing guns, or is that the only solution you would accept?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But it's definitely only part of the solution, that alone is not enough, but nothing else will have a strong effect while so many guns are on the streets and easily accessible.

No I didn't, I think I was pretty clear. We need to reduce the number of guns available, nothing else will be effective until we do. I do believe any solution that does not involve removing guns at some point is incomplete. But removing guns on its own is not enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No, you were quite clear; you aren't actually interested in real solutions, you're interested in gun control for the sake of gun control.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone with a brain can realize weapons are tools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the purpose of that tool?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's not the point.

You were trying to argue that weapons are not tools, which is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, technically weapons are tools, that's because the definition of a tool is so broad, just a device used to carry out a particular task.

That's why I never said he was wrong to call a gun a tool, I said it was misleading, which it is. When a reasonable person thinks of a tool they do not think of a gun, you think of a wrench or a screwdriver or a swiss army knife, or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. A reasonable person thinks of nothing specific when the word 'tool' is said because it's such a broad term.

Trying to argue a gun isn't a tool is wrong. It's more misleading than calling it a tool because, again, it's wrong. You're only doing it to push an agenda.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, technically weapons are tools

Again, I'm not arguing a gun isn't a tool. In fact, in the very comment you're replying to I said they are.

But all of this is besides the actual point, you derailed the point of gun culture and availability driving gun violence with an ultimately meaningless conversation about semantics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

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sorry, I'm done. Good luck.