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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (42 children)

That’s not correct in any way. The word “Christian” has a specific definition. If someone claims they’re a “Christian” but don’t believe in Jesus, then they’re not a Christian. They can’t be. If someone claims to be a “Catholic” but doesn’t “accept” Pope Francis as the legitimate Pope, they’re not a Catholic. I can claim to be a musician but, if I can’t play any instruments, I’m not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Everyone knows words are stripped of their definitions on social media.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah... if we used the definitions of social media, then the existence of trans people is a religious belief and wokeness is a religion. It's the single stupidest chain of sentiment to come out since the belief in a flat earth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If someone claims to be a “Catholic” but doesn’t “accept” Pope Francis as the legitimate Pope, they’re not a Catholic.

That's not true. There have been quite a number of schisms in the catholic church which resulted in a split on who people thought was the pope. The guy who doesn't come out on top in that situation is called an antipope. Sometimes it was difficult to decide in history which person was the pope and which was antipope. There have been about 40 of them with the last being in the 15th century.

The Palmarian Church is a catholic splinter group that has an antipope.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

Yes it is. Catholic dogma dictates that the Pope is the true representative of God and that he functions as the literal mouthpiece of God. Schisms might be true but, according to Catholicism, there can’t be a mistake when it comes to the Pope and what he says when speaking on doctrine. It’s called Papal Infallibility.

Accordingly, that means any schisms from Catholicism, by definition, aren’t Catholic because they break the promise Jesus made to Peter.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If someone claims they’re a “Christian” but don’t believe in Jesus, then they’re not a Christian.

That's fair. It still hinges on a belief claim only. Based on a person's other actions, you can doubt that claim, but the singular authority for what a person actually believes is what that person claims to believe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s only true if that claim is made in good faith. I can claim to be a Christian all I want but, if I don’t believe in god, then my claim isn’t coming from a place of good faith (literally). I can’t make the claim and that claim be true if I’ve twisted the definition of what I’m claiming in order to make that claim. If I claim to be vegan but I have redefined “vegan” to ignore the use of animal products and am only focused on eating animals and animal products, then I’m a liar rather than what you’re inferring which is that my claim is true because I believe it to be true. A “vegan” walking around in leather pants is not a vegan, regardless of what they believe or claim.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (25 children)

Whether someone is a "vegan" depends on behavior in ways that "Christian" doesn't. Even so, being "vegan" - even when the person does not directly and knowingly consume animal products - completely ignores the fact that they are indirectly making use of animal products, because they depend on a society that currently uses animal products, and where that society got to the technological level it's at through the use of animal products over many millenia.

And we're back to No True Scotsman, adjusting the definition to fit the circumstances.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The voice is still an instrument. Stop being a pedant.

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