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Being gender neutral in Spanish (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In Spanish everything is gendered, so being gender neutral is not as easy as for example English where you can just use 'they' or 'them'.

Sometimes people use the 'e' instead of the o/a (which often mark the gender of words, for example gato/gata, cat in Spanish) but it can't always be used and it just sounds really weird for a lot of people, though that might just be because it is barely used.

The other way to be gender neutral that I know is to say both the male and female versions of the word you are trying to make gender neutral, for example "trabajadores y trabajadoras" (workers[M] and workers[F]) but it's also not ideal as you have to say one of the genders first and it is pretty inconvenient to have to do that every time you refer to a group of people that is not guaranteed to be composed of one gender only.

Anyway thanks for reading my post and I hope I find out about a better way to be gender neutral in Spanish.

At least in Spanish there is never doubt how shit is pronounced, unlike in English. (Fuck English all my homies hate the English language)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least when communicating through writing I've also seen adding the symbol "@" at the end of the words (like amig@s = amigos and amigas) to make them gender neutral, but this obviously is binary and doesn't take non-binary people into account. And only works with writing. I do prefer the 'e' at the end of words for this reason and it also sounds/looks better than adding X, but Spanish isn't my primary language. Would be interesting to hear other people's thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't have Spanish as my first language but my first language is pretty related to Spanish and s also gendered and I personally hate all those alternatives. The @ and the X thing can't be read by screen readers so these options aren't inclusive at all, also this is pretty confusing for dyslexic people...

I personally think this is a case where people just have to understand that grammatical gender is not the same as social gender, even words like milk and chair are grammatically gendered, so don't make sense to Try to say there's any hidden message using the masculine or feminine form of the words...