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Lmao. The guy facilitating the sale of weapons to Israel?
You seem to not understand what I'm saying. Demand better of the democratic party.
Hahaha Hahaha ok
Exactly how much influence over Israel's actions do you think his administration would have if it took the kind of hard line you're looking for?
Israel has a far right xenophobic government and suffered a massive blow from Hamas. Short of invading Israel, there is nothing the US can do to prevent bloody retribution on Palestinians. By standing firm with Israel, we at least get a seat at the table to try and shape the response to reduce harm to civilians. We have actually had some success in that, though not as much as we would like.
Meanwhile, we have this quote coming from Harris: “Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza".
That's a damn strong signal to Israel that US support for Israel is being undermined by their actions. That is how you leverage a relationship towards a change in outcome. Biden actually has a seriously skilled foreign policy team that's following the path most beneficial to Palestinians, not the one most aestheticly pleasing to Palestinian supporters.
I'm a fierce critic of Biden, and I'm outraged that he decided to run again in 2024. Still, I think his administration has taken the right approach with Israel. I don't think every step was handled perfectly, but the overall approach is correct, and he is doing it in the face of serious political backlash. That's actually what leadership looks like.
That's a ton of words that don't answer the question: why is Biden running again when he polls worse than "unnamed democrat"? Does he want to lose?
Daily I see memes "you must vote Biden" and never memes saying "Biden should not run". I can't tell who's stupid and who's paid for
But I can't even begin to understand what you mean when you say actually it's good they sell weapons to Israel.
It also doesn't answer a whole lot of other questions that weren't asked.
How should I know? Almost certainly not?
Do you think that if we refused then they wouldn't just go buy them elsewhere? It's notable that, for the first time, conditions have been imposed on how the weapons can be used. The conditions aren't as restrictive as they might be, but that's another signal that our "unconditional support" of Israel is in jeopardy.
We have always sold weapons to Israel. Stopping now wouldn't impact the war, but it would destroy any influence we do have over Israel's actions.
Again unanswered love it nice chat
Still hasn't been asked. And ya know what? If ya ask it, nobody's obliged to answer it. That's kinda how this Internet thing works. I never claimed Biden should be running in the first place. My comment was on his handling of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Thanks for chiming in it's been VERY helpful I'm nominating your comments for hall of fame because I'm allowed to and that's how the internet works