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North and South Korea aren’t rivals. North Korea has been trying to free South Korea for decades.
Lots of Koreans don’t even consider them different countries.
But one day the US military will leave South Korea and leave these people alone.
That’s some good parody.
The irony is with the statement, the reverse is also true, sans non naturalized NK citizens. Any NK who goes to SK is considered a citizen.
I never said all Koreans. Or even most Koreans.
The US has occupied your country for so long that their propaganda got too strong in SK. The younger you are, the higher the chances of you seeing the world their way.
And the higher the chances you’re not asking them to leave.
Lol, the country that won't let their citizens cross a border for fear of them never coming back will "free" the other completely free Koreans. Got it.
North Koreans can cross the border. The US have been feeding you too much propaganda.
When my cousin was there, he took a train from North Korea to China, along with several other Koreans. It’s a regular train between the two countries. I can link to his YouTube video (it’s in Portuguese, can at least you can see the train even if you don’t understand what he’s saying).
The only border they can’t cross is to South Korea. But that’s because they’re at war, not because of fear they won’t come back.
Can he migrate to China? Can he go to other countries once in China? Is he a North Korean citizen? Please do link, would love to watch it and get more context.
Hi. This is his video taking the regular train between NK and China. He made a playlist with his videos in NK.
https://youtu.be/H9U78uolV80?si=C6HNaKU8KCFQOCRN
I don’t know if there’s a way to generate translations from Portuguese to English, though.
Also, I don’t know what are China’s rules on immigration. They already have 500 trillion people, so they probably don’t make it easy to immigrate.
But no one in China will stop you from going from China to other countries. There are North Koreans that moved here to Brazil. And you can probably find them in other countries as well.
I would guess that the biggest barrier preventing anyone from migrating is that it’s hard as hell. Not the process itself, but leaving everything behind and moving far away, speaking another language.
And they would have to leave behind a country where they have free housing, absolutely zero taxes, good education, safety, and most important: guaranteed employment. So even though the US-imposed blockade makes their lives much harder, many people consider it to be better than moving to China and working 6 days a week in a low income job. Or working a low income job in any other nearby country.
I speak Portuguese. I don't need a translator. In the video he stated most people at the train station are tourists and very few are Koreans going to China to work.
He also mentioned not being allowed to take photos of anything/anyone involved in the military and being that they're everywhere, most places couldn't be photographed.
I'm also Brazilian. I visited a military base in Brazil and took multiple photos and videos without having to hide it. Korea is not a free country.
This video also fails to show the parts of North Korea that hasn't been specifically polished for tourists to see. If you want the true Korean experience, don't take it from a polished North Korean tour experience. Take it from a North Korean refugee. There's many videos, interviews, and books for you to read. Your English seems good enough.
Yes, very few were Koreans going to China when he recorded the video. I just meant to show that they CAN go to China.
No country is 100% free. They’re at war. Brazil is not. Not only that, but they’ve been infiltrated by CIA agents posing as tourists multiple times. So now they banned pictures of their military.
But if you watch other videos from that playlist, you’ll see they did record military a few times.
I did. A lot. Like, A LOT.
Unfortunately, some of the weirdest stories come from CIA-created propaganda.
But NK did have a very bad period, which is when most refugees left North Korea. They were invaded and had their infrastructure destroyed so bad that they had to go back to using animal traction instead of motorized vehicles.
That lack of infrastructure, together with the US preventing them from buying things from most other countries, meant lots of people were hungry and scared. They left Korea thinking that it was the worst place in the world. And for a few years, it probably was.
Do you remember when a couple weeks of truck drivers on strike creating a blockade sent Brazil into chaos? Now imagine a blockade that lasts for decades. Now imagine that when someone destroyed your country so hard that you don’t even have reliable roads or factories.
I would leave the country for much less.
But they reverted that with a lot of hard work. North Korea today is not the same NK that these immigrants left behind a few decades ago. I’m not saying its perfect, I’m saying it’s not the hell that the US tries to make it look like. And it would probably be a very very good country to live in, if they could buy food and technology from outside.
No offense but it's like the entire world is telling you something and you're putting your fingers in your ears and shouting lalalalala.
The US is not the entire world.
There are many books and documentaries with a less biased view of North Korea.
But the US is by far the biggest propaganda machine the world has ever seen. And when you hear something so many times without having access to different viewpoints, you might think it’s true and that “the entire world” agrees with it.
Cara me fala o que você está fumando porque eu não quero nem experimentar.
At the same time you claim the US to be this amazing propaganda machine that the world has ever seen, it is at the same time too weak to extinguish a few measley books and documentaries that are apparently not part of their propaganda.
Tell me you don’t understand propaganda without telling me you don’t understand propaganda. Maybe read Edward Bernays book Propaganda, or Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent, or Parenti’s Inventing Reality. The propaganda model has been extensively analyzed and there is no doubt in anyone who has done the research that the U.S. and its media apparatuses are the single largest producer of propaganda in the entire world.
Yes. Because being able to publish propaganda is very different from being able to censor information that is published in another country.
The US creates an overflowing amount of propaganda and they can push that to other countries. But they can’t come in here and take books away from libraries and bookstores. That’s not how things work.
Their strategy is to drown the truth. And they’re really good at it.
Does the entire world have them embargoed? If not, your point about food and tech needs help.
It’s much more complicated. There are many countries that doesn’t have an embargo against them, but still gets blocked by the US embargo. The US considers that selling them anything that had an American company involved is helping brake the embargo, and will bring consequences.
So let’s say India wants to sell them electric bikes. These bikes are made in India. With engines made in China. And wheels made in… Germany.
I never mentioned major parts coming from the US, right? But let’s say one screw in the engine was bought from the UK, and that company from the UK is owned by a company from the US. Because of that single screw, selling that bike to NK would be considered an attempt to help a country bypass the embargo. And India doesn’t want to lose all the commerce they have with the US and their direct allies.
Since the US owns companies all around the world, they use that to “force” almost all countries in the world to also not sell to NK or Cuba, even though those countries are not part of the embargo.
Edit: The UN can make a decision to end these embargoes. But the US holds a special position in the UN, with special veto powers. Brazil recently proposed to end the Cuban embargo. Most countries started voting yes. They all want to sell to Cuba. And then the US said “veto”, ending the proposition even if most countries were voting yes.
There have been talks between BRICS countries about creating an alternative UN, since the US vetoes anything that doesn’t directly benefit them.
"Food"
Sorry, I thought you mentioned food just as an example of stuff in general.
Food is a bit easier to trade with NK, although there’s pressure for countries to not do that.
If I’m not mistaken, they mostly bought food from China. But they stopped when the pandemic hit, as an attempt to preserve their country.
I also remember Brazil (where I live) invested a little bit in trading basic resources like food with “undesirable” countries like NK and Venezuela. But it’s very complicated because they can’t use the normal international means of bank transfer, and there were people complaining about feeding crazy countries. Of course, “crazy” means you don’t jump when imperialists say “jump”.
But anyway, not being able to easily transfer money makes it harder. And they’re far away, which makes it more expensive.
If it wasn’t for countries like China, these embargoed socialist countries would be in a much worse situation. I hope NK’s food trade with China goes back to normal, because no one deserves to starve.
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Easy - their paycheck depends on it.
There’s been decades of US propaganda against any socialist country. It makes people delusional.
It gets even stronger in countries that have been occupied by the US military, like South Korea. When you’re born to that, you start seeing that as normal. You start to think it’s okay that most of the sovereignty of your country has been taken away. Most people in SK have never lived in a sovereign country that can make its own decisions.
They normalize that. And they start to sound delusional to others. But it’s not their fault.
I always love it when yanks try to tell people who live in countries what it's really like in Said country.
bonus points when it's delusional tankie nonsense from someone who desperately needs to touch grass some time this decade
It’s not their fault. They’re covered in so much US propaganda that they’re delusional because of it. But we can always hope things will change in the future.
Damn gimme what ever wild shit you're smoking. Why don't you move your ass to North Korea and help them 'liberate' the south if you believe that line so much
Learn the history. It turns out it's not as simple as the country that leveled 80% of the structures on the entire peninsula would have you believe.
I am literally a historian. Thank you
LeArN tHe HiStOrY
It appears you should take your own advice.
If there wasn’t a commercial blockade fucking up with their resources, I’d definitely be trying to move there. Lots of people would.
Free housing? Safe neighborhoods? Guaranteed employment and living near your job? Good education?
That’s the dream!
Hm I wonder what incited that commercial blockade...
So, why is Israel not sanctioned to hell for their illegal Nuclear weapons program which they don’t allow international inspectors to observe and refuse to publicly state how many they have? It seems that there are two international Justice systems. One for those whom serve the interests of the west, and one for those who don’t.
Being socialist.
The US can’t let socialist countries thrive. Or people would realize that a better system is possible. It would destroy the current narrative that “capitalism might be bad, but it’s the only possible system”.
Most things that people use to criticize countries like Cuba or NK aren’t their fault or even their choice.
When people talk about socialist countries, they don’t mention its positives like good education, affordable housing, safety, employment rates, etc.
They say things like “Cuba has old cars and slow internet” or “In North Korea most people can’t have cars and even lack vitamin C”. But all of that is because of the blockade, not because socialism causes that.
And if you dare to be socialist, the US will do everything it can to sabotage the country, no matter how many people will suffer because of that.
But China isn't being blockated
Yes, China gets to be an exception for two big reasons. One is that they're only partially socialist. They allow American companies to profit from their population, which pleases the US (a little). And the biggest one is that China is powerful. Power creates exceptions.
The US tries to find loopholes all the time, though. They're always trying to harm China without creating an all-out economic war. Coming up with lies regarding Huawei as an excuse to block them, etc. But they can't create a blockade against China, because the US would probably lose more than China. The US depends on China more than China depends on the US. Specially because China is the country holding the biggest amount of US national debt, and US dollars.
I see.
It was, for quite some time, actually.
And now?
Just hope your grandpa didn't commit a crime or you and your dad may go to jail.
You're reading too much north american propaganda.
Next you'll tell me that Cubans eat kids and Chinese have secret holes all the way to the US to spy on people.
You just said there is a train that takes you from China to North Korea??
And North Korea to China.
Otto Warmbier
Nice try North Korea you rascal
That’s where our agreement begins and ends.
What a radical thing to say.
Are North Korean propagandists really a thing outside of NK? Wow. Absurd.
I don’t think so. But maybe there are.