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What does it look like for a YouTube creator when the audience uses something like NewPipe or Freetube? (mander.xyz)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm not too tech savvy so I appreciate responses in layman's terms.

I have a rough concept of how NewPipe works, (correct me if I'm wrong though!) basically it's a scrapper so it somehow reads the information in YouTube, anonymously, and filters the ads for you.

What I'm interested in knowing is, how does this behaviour look like from YouTube's perspective. Can the platform "tell" that someone is accessing their content but not the ads that should go before and inbetween the videos? Do these views requested by NewPipe count towards the global amount of views a video has? Do content creators still get money from youtube ads with NewPipe views? Do they also get to see engagement data from views (such as which parts are skipped)? Etc etc.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (20 children)

EDIT!

I have compled the data from today! It is in a comment ot this comment!

EDIT!

I may be able to help...

While I am definately not a youtuber, I do have a few random videos on my channel, here is a test video from when I bought my Sigma 100-400mm telezoom lens for my Lumix S5.

Give it a few views with different frontends and I'll check the stats later this evening...

Note however that no videos I have on my channel is monetized, which might skew the data, but it us the best I can offer:

https://youtu.be/cKHi_K_AQVs?si=5tkVIyng7yjECSm4

EDIT:

I will shortly head to work, but so far the most interesting stat I have seen today is this:

Even with this limited stats you can clearly see that some of the external frontends are listed as "Other Youtube Features"

I'll get back with more stats after work, or when I see that they have compiled, I will try and get all data I can, I may not be able to enterpret it, but I will do my best to post when I have.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Right, I am back you numbercrunching crumbnunchers!

This is what I see when I go into Youtube Studio and look at the analytics tab:

Weirdly, the viewcount is completely different in the three highlighted areas, I don't really know what that means, but perhaps someone else can explain it?

Anyway, on to the video specific analytics:

Again, differing viewcounts, so it is probably just something I am missing... Here we see that a majority of watches comes from "Other YouTube features" and "External".

Let's see if we can see something more on the next pages:

Here it only shows 19 views, I wonder if that is completed views.... I clearly know way too little about YouTube to get a proper conslusion so far....

But let's keep going!

Ok, more "Other YouTube features" stats, but clicking on that give no further data, "External" however...

There we are my Lemmys! (Lemmings?)

From the links it looks like we can make a qualified guess about some of the mobile apps in use in this thread, interesting, but not that useful in this case...

The Geography tab either has not processed completely, or there is too little data to make a determination, it just shows a "Total" value, with no added data.

Same goes to the Cities tab, which makes sense...

There is not enough demographic data to graph the ages or genders of the viewers, makes sense....

The Date tab hold no interesting data.

None of all 19 viewers are subscribed to me, good, I only upload occasionally, some train videos, some minecraft/ut2004 videos, and other random crap...

On to device type!

Most of the 19 viewers, watched on a mobile phone, but I have no data about what kind, I thought the frontends might pretend to be a mobile app for the yt API, but there is not enought data to determine that.

Youtube Product tab, does not hold the key, it hold no usefull unformation in this case.

The Playback location tells me that all 19 views was done on the Youtube watch page, probably meaning directly on Youtube.

Operating Systems!

The majority of viewers watched on Android, then iOS, then one on Windows, nothing more to see here.

Noone used subtitles, and I would have been quite confused is someone had, since the video doesn't have them....

Video info language, shows no relevant data, neither does "Translation use", Endscreen Element type, Card Type, Card, Sharing Service, Player Type, Remixes of this Video or "New and Returning viewers"

So from what I can see, the stats that I can access doesn't include views from other frontends, though I probably don't have access to all stats since I don't monetize.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Weirdly, the viewcount is completely different in the three highlighted areas, I don’t really know what that means, but perhaps someone else can explain it?

I know it's not really important but just in case anyone's curious. The bottom right is showing the video's all-time views (43). The top left is showing the video's views over the last 48 hours (34). And the main graph in the middle of the screen is usually on a delay, so is probably not counting today's views yet hence the (19).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Very interesting to see! Thanks for compiling these.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You are very wellcome, it was an interesting question, and I am happy to help, even if I was unable to answer the big question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for this follow up and for sharing! That was interesting

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

+1 newpipe view via singapore

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Regular YT view from US

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

+1 Libretube, android 14, UK (VPN) originating in California

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And adding to my previous comment, +1 on NewPipe uninterrupted and +1 from Freetube. All Australia if that's of any use

Edit: my first watch was feom clicking your link, the second was from NewPipe history, and the third was searching directly on Freetube, no link

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay! +1 NewPipe, might add that I started the vid about an hour ago, got interrupted by a phone call and only now I finished it. The views jumped from 9 to 24 by the time I returned to watch.

I'm going to give it another view without interruption now, same NewPipe

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

+1 Regular YouTube desktop from Australia, with the tracking part of the URL removed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Invidious from France

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I have posted a follow up!

https://lemmy.zip/comment/5078586

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How are views calculated? I think I remember that you need to watch X% of a video for it to register as a view, so some of the comments here may be off