Anatoly Karlin @powerfultakes
Replying to @RichardHanania
I'm against legalizing bestiality because the animal consent problem hasn't been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages). So why not wait a few more years. I don't see disgust as a good reason. It was an evolutionary adaptation of the agricultural era against the spread of zoonotic illnesses, but technology will soon make that entirely irrelevant as well.
CW discussion of bestiality
So... there are animals with complex languages, which AI will help us understand, and we can then ask the animals if they are ok with us fucking them. (I'm not sure what animals these are. Dolphins? Whales? The great apes? The stereotypical victims of bestiality - barnyard animals raped by horny and/or lonely men - don't seem to qualify to me)
This raises further disturbing questions. Assuming we can really understand these animals enough for them to give consent to sex, where does this put humans who are now seen as unable to (the mentally disabled, children, elderly people with dementia)? If it's both ok to have sex with a pig because an AI told us it was ok, and slaughter that same pig for food, then surely it's ok to have sex with a kid, because they're at least accorded more rights than most animals, and we don't need AI to communicate with them.
They either have not thought this through, or thought way too much about it.
You're on the right track. It's long been established that non human animals cannot consent to sex because of the power difference between them, even if the non human animals could communicate well.
“If animals can give consent, that means children don’t need too”
Tf kinda logic is that?
The point is, how do we know that "animals can give consent"? "If you have sex with me, I won't kill and eat you" is like the epitome of power imbalance.
So let the Vegans fuck them, I don’t care about rationalising why people should fuck animals.
My issue is with your fallacy of suggesting seeking consent leads to ignoring consent elsewhere.
why was this necessary
we don’t do that here. drop the debatelord shit