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GAZA/TEL AVIV, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Israel's government and Hamas agreed on Wednesday to a four-day pause in fighting to allow the release of 50 hostages held in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinians imprisoned in Israel, and the entry of humanitarian aid into the besieged enclave.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is such good news. Now the challenge is to keep both sides from reigniting.

There was a ceasefire already in place prior to the 7th of October attacks

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There was a blockade of Gaza since 2007.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not necessarily. There were needed controls from Israeli side to ensure as little weapons get there as possible. That’s not blockade. That’s an attempt to prevent a terrorist organization to gain way too much power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Israel was blockading fucking food ports into Palestine. I'm sick of people trying to justify this extremist bullshit by painting every Palestinian as a terrorist. Yes it was a damn blockade. Stop fucking lying about it.

And the only reason Israel started the blockade was Hamas getting elected, which Israel helped them to do in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Not every palestinian is terrorist, I agree. So now let’s divide people into 2 categories: West bank inhabitants and Gaza inhabitants.

Hamas in Gaza made the population so radical that both egypt and israel decided to close the borders. They (at least Egypt) would not do it if the population was not so radical.

In the West Bank, people are less radical but still it’s not ideal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know, instead of relitigating the crimes of both sides until we die, what if we just organize a new peace process already?

It's been a fucking generation since anyone actually tried. And people always say, "Oh, ___ wont' agree to that!" Well, okay, prove it. Book the big room at Olive Garden and see if someone shows up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, it would be absolutely awesome to have a peace but firstly we need all the sides to agree on that. With Hamas present, neither Israelis/Palestinians will accept a deal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Both sides make that claim, and neither is going to sit down as long as they have a choice not to.

Apartheid ended because the rest of the world left the people enforcing it with no means of retaining power. The same must be applied to Israel-Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A ceasefire that doesn't involve lifting the blockade is meaningless because the blockade is already an act of war.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They also assassinated their journalist Shireen Abu Akleh last year so idk what type of ceasefire it is when only one side gets to murder the others (but they didn't drop any bombs so it's ok).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And Hamas fired thousands of rockets at Israel during the ceasefire since 2007, is that also not an act of war?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's after the blockade, which is again an act of war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The blockade was in response to the election of a known terrorist organization that was amassing weapons.

But hey, if you think it's okay to try and murder Israeli civilians on the daily, why are you so mad at Israel killing Palestinian civilians? Seems pretty hypocritical of you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The blockade started 3 months before Hamas was elected so... yeah. Israel declared war on Gaza before Hamas was even elected.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My mistake, but looking it up I also found out Palestine was firing rockets at Israel for years before the blockade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Attacks_fired_at_Israel_from_the_Gaza_Strip_by_year.png

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The thing is: Occupation is also an act of war, and Gaza (and the West Bank) have been occupied by Israel since 1970. You see the current state of the West Bank? This was also Gaza before 2005.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

As a result of the 1967 war of aggression by the PLO. Palestine lost a war and still had a government that mandated the destruction of Israel as their second charter. So they weren't exactly a friendly neighbor to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You mean the election that the Israeli government helped Hamas win, then used as an excuse to punish Palestinians? You fucking pro-Israelis are the biggest liars on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

A blockade is an act of war as defined by international law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

What's your point? I don't see how this relates to either my statement that it is good news that hostages are being released or my statement that it will be a challenge to keep both sides from reigniting.