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EU condemns Hamas for using 'hospitals as human shields', urges Israeli restraint (www.reuters.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Let’s assume that Israelis aren’t people, and it’s morally acceptable to kill dozens of them to get one or two IDF guys. Now, you have a ton of family members of those dead people who are extremely angry at Hamas for killing their family and friends. Do you think those people just sit down and die quietly? No, quite a few of them join the IDF to fight back. So now, by attacking the concert, you’ve created more enemies than you’ve killed."

If Hamas was freedom fighters, then your exact same defense applies to the Israeli military, and it's a neverending cycle of "justified" violence.

But, Hamas are NOT freedom fighters. They want the war to continue in perpetuity and they're keeping supplies from the civilians. They are a terrorist organization completely distinct from the Palestinians, that is also oppressing the Palestinians.

Hamas' goal is to provoke Israel into the most violent responses possible. They want Israel to be genocidal. It makes Israel lose support and it's more likely for countries like Iran to join the fight. They would be more than happy with all Palestinians dying if it meant killing all the Israelis too. Because they are a terrorist group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If Hamas was freedom fighters, then your exact same defense applies to the Israeli military, and it’s a neverending cycle of “justified” violence.

Yeah. That's true. There will be continued death and destruction until Israel tries for peace by undermining Hamas politically, not violently. Or until Israel ethnically cleanses the vast majority of Palestinians, which it seems like they're trying to do.

Hamas is a resistance group, even if their tactics are awful. Their goal isn't to provoke the most awful Israeli responses possible, but to retaliate for the violence that the IDF does. This has been the case for a while, and October 7th is really the main exception because I doubt Hamas predicted how far they'd get. Even with the Oct 7 attack, Hamas literally tried to trade their hostages for women and children in Israeli prisons. They tried to use their hostages as leverage to get Israel to stop bombing civilians as much. They have to care about Palestinians to some extent, because if enough citizens of Gaza decide the PA is a lot better, Hamas won't exist anymore, or at least lose power.

Because they are a terrorist group.

You say this like it means anything. The ANC (fought apartheid south africa) was also a terrorist group. So was the FLN (fought french in the Algerian revolution), the Viet Minh (first Indochina war, against the french), and many other resistance groups.