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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 67 points 2 years ago (2 children) Possibly illegal, depending on your local laws. If it is legal, contact your congressman (local, state, national) because it sure as hell needs to be illegal. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flipht@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Very unlikely. There's a statement at the bottom that explains what the fee is. There's a QR code at the top for more information, which OP cut off. I doubt they went through the effort of updating their POS system, providing links to info on the receipt, and chose not to post a sign or put a note on the menu. Everywhere I have been with a service fee like this posts it, which would negate any legal issue. Caveat emptor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago It's illegal if the fact that a service fee would be added wasn't shared before ordering (on the menu / by the waiter /...) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago Possibly. Local laws vary heavily, and could limit hidden fees like these. If the franchise is in one of these places, but the parent chain is not, it could easily be implemented despite being illegal. It's a similar case if the local operator didn't have the required notices in the required way, since it would be done separately. Not necessarily out of malice, but a ton of places simply do not run a tight ship. The receipt is absolutely not the place these notices are required; that's just a convenience. It's also possible that the POS has a bunch of options that can easily be set by management without involving lawyers. A required tip (often for large groups, but not always) is an easy use case for this. So are the various messages, including the tipping scale, or adding a promotional QR code (e.g. scan the code to fill out a survey and get $5 off your next visit) In any event, I stand behind my advice- check if it's illegal, and push to make it illegal. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) So you carefully included every possible level of US government, but still forgot about the entire rest of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, many places have a local, state, and national government. Particularly the ones that use dollars and expect an additional tip, as shown on the receipt. Stop trying to be offended at everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My country, which has dollars and expects tips, doesn't. And this read like it was addressing unexpected fees at restaurants in general. Stop pretending Americans don't do this constantly. Everyone who's not American is very familiar with it, and honestly it's understandable with how big and self-contained that country is. I might not even have commented if it wasn't for the remarkable thoroughness short of that detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I presume you're in Canada. Aside from calling them provinces, and possibly having a different name for your legislative representatives, are you saying you DON'T have a local, state, and national government where my advice would be relevant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) The rest of the world doesn't exist, it's just a scam made up by the passport cartel to fleece you of your money every few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can confirm, I'm just standing in a blank white space. It's weird I get wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do a search for the Tianamen Square massacre. You'll at least know if you're Chinese white space or non Chinese white space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Let's see... dollar sign? Well that cuts out a lot of the world. Written in English, so that leaves about 3 countries. Australia doesn't have a tipping culture the same way we do in North America so that leaves either Canada or the US, in which case you can replace state with province and cover your bases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Percentages on the tip are lower than US tip amounts. So I would guess not US, though this would obviously happen in the states. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do other countries itemize tax separately? I thought the US was alone on that. Also, 9.5% is in line with sales tax in a few US states, as is calling it tax instead of VAT (or similar) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* Good catch, I didn't even notice the percentages. I did look at the date but of course the meal was purchased on the one day this month where that's not helpful permalink fedilink source parent [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget New Zealand. They do tip down under, but it sounds like they don't recommend tips the same way. Yeah, sure, the jist applies everywhere. OP could have saved words just saying "representitives". That's the part that was interesting, and now people are big butthurt I pointed it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago I mentioned all 3 because people (at least around me) tend to forget the first 2, despite those being much easier to make these types of changes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Looks at a picture of a receipt that is almost certainly from the US: What about the rest of the world?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago It looks exactly like a receipt that could be here, too. As has been repeatedly pointed out to me, there's only 2 to 4 countries this could apply to, but you'll excuse me for expecting the same thing as always was happening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flipht@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Very unlikely. There's a statement at the bottom that explains what the fee is. There's a QR code at the top for more information, which OP cut off. I doubt they went through the effort of updating their POS system, providing links to info on the receipt, and chose not to post a sign or put a note on the menu. Everywhere I have been with a service fee like this posts it, which would negate any legal issue. Caveat emptor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago It's illegal if the fact that a service fee would be added wasn't shared before ordering (on the menu / by the waiter /...) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago Possibly. Local laws vary heavily, and could limit hidden fees like these. If the franchise is in one of these places, but the parent chain is not, it could easily be implemented despite being illegal. It's a similar case if the local operator didn't have the required notices in the required way, since it would be done separately. Not necessarily out of malice, but a ton of places simply do not run a tight ship. The receipt is absolutely not the place these notices are required; that's just a convenience. It's also possible that the POS has a bunch of options that can easily be set by management without involving lawyers. A required tip (often for large groups, but not always) is an easy use case for this. So are the various messages, including the tipping scale, or adding a promotional QR code (e.g. scan the code to fill out a survey and get $5 off your next visit) In any event, I stand behind my advice- check if it's illegal, and push to make it illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago It's illegal if the fact that a service fee would be added wasn't shared before ordering (on the menu / by the waiter /...) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago Possibly. Local laws vary heavily, and could limit hidden fees like these. If the franchise is in one of these places, but the parent chain is not, it could easily be implemented despite being illegal. It's a similar case if the local operator didn't have the required notices in the required way, since it would be done separately. Not necessarily out of malice, but a ton of places simply do not run a tight ship. The receipt is absolutely not the place these notices are required; that's just a convenience. It's also possible that the POS has a bunch of options that can easily be set by management without involving lawyers. A required tip (often for large groups, but not always) is an easy use case for this. So are the various messages, including the tipping scale, or adding a promotional QR code (e.g. scan the code to fill out a survey and get $5 off your next visit) In any event, I stand behind my advice- check if it's illegal, and push to make it illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -35 points 2 years ago (4 children) So you carefully included every possible level of US government, but still forgot about the entire rest of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, many places have a local, state, and national government. Particularly the ones that use dollars and expect an additional tip, as shown on the receipt. Stop trying to be offended at everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My country, which has dollars and expects tips, doesn't. And this read like it was addressing unexpected fees at restaurants in general. Stop pretending Americans don't do this constantly. Everyone who's not American is very familiar with it, and honestly it's understandable with how big and self-contained that country is. I might not even have commented if it wasn't for the remarkable thoroughness short of that detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I presume you're in Canada. Aside from calling them provinces, and possibly having a different name for your legislative representatives, are you saying you DON'T have a local, state, and national government where my advice would be relevant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) The rest of the world doesn't exist, it's just a scam made up by the passport cartel to fleece you of your money every few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can confirm, I'm just standing in a blank white space. It's weird I get wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do a search for the Tianamen Square massacre. You'll at least know if you're Chinese white space or non Chinese white space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Let's see... dollar sign? Well that cuts out a lot of the world. Written in English, so that leaves about 3 countries. Australia doesn't have a tipping culture the same way we do in North America so that leaves either Canada or the US, in which case you can replace state with province and cover your bases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Percentages on the tip are lower than US tip amounts. So I would guess not US, though this would obviously happen in the states. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do other countries itemize tax separately? I thought the US was alone on that. Also, 9.5% is in line with sales tax in a few US states, as is calling it tax instead of VAT (or similar) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* Good catch, I didn't even notice the percentages. I did look at the date but of course the meal was purchased on the one day this month where that's not helpful permalink fedilink source parent [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget New Zealand. They do tip down under, but it sounds like they don't recommend tips the same way. Yeah, sure, the jist applies everywhere. OP could have saved words just saying "representitives". That's the part that was interesting, and now people are big butthurt I pointed it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago I mentioned all 3 because people (at least around me) tend to forget the first 2, despite those being much easier to make these types of changes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Looks at a picture of a receipt that is almost certainly from the US: What about the rest of the world?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago It looks exactly like a receipt that could be here, too. As has been repeatedly pointed out to me, there's only 2 to 4 countries this could apply to, but you'll excuse me for expecting the same thing as always was happening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child) First, many places have a local, state, and national government. Particularly the ones that use dollars and expect an additional tip, as shown on the receipt. Stop trying to be offended at everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My country, which has dollars and expects tips, doesn't. And this read like it was addressing unexpected fees at restaurants in general. Stop pretending Americans don't do this constantly. Everyone who's not American is very familiar with it, and honestly it's understandable with how big and self-contained that country is. I might not even have commented if it wasn't for the remarkable thoroughness short of that detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I presume you're in Canada. Aside from calling them provinces, and possibly having a different name for your legislative representatives, are you saying you DON'T have a local, state, and national government where my advice would be relevant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -22 points 2 years ago (1 child) My country, which has dollars and expects tips, doesn't. And this read like it was addressing unexpected fees at restaurants in general. Stop pretending Americans don't do this constantly. Everyone who's not American is very familiar with it, and honestly it's understandable with how big and self-contained that country is. I might not even have commented if it wasn't for the remarkable thoroughness short of that detail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I presume you're in Canada. Aside from calling them provinces, and possibly having a different name for your legislative representatives, are you saying you DON'T have a local, state, and national government where my advice would be relevant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I presume you're in Canada. Aside from calling them provinces, and possibly having a different name for your legislative representatives, are you saying you DON'T have a local, state, and national government where my advice would be relevant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -6 points 2 years ago No, you're advice was great. I just found the phrasing weird enough to point out. Sorry if it came across as angry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) The rest of the world doesn't exist, it's just a scam made up by the passport cartel to fleece you of your money every few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can confirm, I'm just standing in a blank white space. It's weird I get wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do a search for the Tianamen Square massacre. You'll at least know if you're Chinese white space or non Chinese white space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can confirm, I'm just standing in a blank white space. It's weird I get wifi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do a search for the Tianamen Square massacre. You'll at least know if you're Chinese white space or non Chinese white space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Do a search for the Tianamen Square massacre. You'll at least know if you're Chinese white space or non Chinese white space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Oh no, it's turning black. Chairman forgive me! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Let's see... dollar sign? Well that cuts out a lot of the world. Written in English, so that leaves about 3 countries. Australia doesn't have a tipping culture the same way we do in North America so that leaves either Canada or the US, in which case you can replace state with province and cover your bases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Percentages on the tip are lower than US tip amounts. So I would guess not US, though this would obviously happen in the states. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do other countries itemize tax separately? I thought the US was alone on that. Also, 9.5% is in line with sales tax in a few US states, as is calling it tax instead of VAT (or similar) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* Good catch, I didn't even notice the percentages. I did look at the date but of course the meal was purchased on the one day this month where that's not helpful permalink fedilink source parent [+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget New Zealand. They do tip down under, but it sounds like they don't recommend tips the same way. Yeah, sure, the jist applies everywhere. OP could have saved words just saying "representitives". That's the part that was interesting, and now people are big butthurt I pointed it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago I mentioned all 3 because people (at least around me) tend to forget the first 2, despite those being much easier to make these types of changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Percentages on the tip are lower than US tip amounts. So I would guess not US, though this would obviously happen in the states. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do other countries itemize tax separately? I thought the US was alone on that. Also, 9.5% is in line with sales tax in a few US states, as is calling it tax instead of VAT (or similar) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* Good catch, I didn't even notice the percentages. I did look at the date but of course the meal was purchased on the one day this month where that's not helpful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do other countries itemize tax separately? I thought the US was alone on that. Also, 9.5% is in line with sales tax in a few US states, as is calling it tax instead of VAT (or similar) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wolfpack86@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Idunno. don't remember what they do in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* Good catch, I didn't even notice the percentages. I did look at the date but of course the meal was purchased on the one day this month where that's not helpful permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't forget New Zealand. They do tip down under, but it sounds like they don't recommend tips the same way. Yeah, sure, the jist applies everywhere. OP could have saved words just saying "representitives". That's the part that was interesting, and now people are big butthurt I pointed it out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago I mentioned all 3 because people (at least around me) tend to forget the first 2, despite those being much easier to make these types of changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago I mentioned all 3 because people (at least around me) tend to forget the first 2, despite those being much easier to make these types of changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Looks at a picture of a receipt that is almost certainly from the US: What about the rest of the world?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago It looks exactly like a receipt that could be here, too. As has been repeatedly pointed out to me, there's only 2 to 4 countries this could apply to, but you'll excuse me for expecting the same thing as always was happening. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago It looks exactly like a receipt that could be here, too. As has been repeatedly pointed out to me, there's only 2 to 4 countries this could apply to, but you'll excuse me for expecting the same thing as always was happening. permalink fedilink source parent