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Last weekend, an auction held at his Florida home saw the item, described as "a one of a kind Trump Glock from the 45th President of the United States Donald J. Trump," go up for bidding during a charity event. Pictures circulating on social media show the gun being presented at the auction, with news website Meidas Touch saying that bidding for the item began at $10,000.

However, the transaction could land the former U.S. president in considerable trouble, given that federal law prohibits those under indictment from transacting firearms. Trump is embroiled in active legal proceedings, having testified at a civil trial over the New York investigation into financial fraud at the Trump Organization. The former president has denied all wrongdoing and repeatedly said that the ongoing federal and civil cases against him are part of a political witch hunt.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is probably a legal nothingburger.

It's a big deal if Trump was personally selling the gun. But it's almost certainly for sale by a corporation, or other legal fiction, that he owns or has an interest in. This is one reason we have the idea of a corporation. The corporation is a "person", not the CEO, board of directors, etc. and can't be held accountable, as a whole, for the actions of a single man. I know that sounds corrupt as hell, but how would you like to lose your job, or be held legally accountable for the actions of your superiors?

And if you don't like it, and I mostly don't, I invite you to read the first section of the US Code.

"In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise-, bla, bla, bla,

the words "person" and "whoever" include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals;"

Guys, I doubt he listed the thing on eBay under his personal account. Feel me?

IANAL, so I hope someone more educated than I has an angle to nail him on this. I'll take every coffin nail I can get on this man.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

His Corp is under fraud indictment in NY.

Just piling on all the shitty and questionable things he does is helpful at least to promote awareness of same.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe. But was it registered to him? He has to transfer that right? That probably still counts.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, I see you’re under the impression that Florida requires firearm registration. While that would seem like a sensible measure, they do not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I did not know that. I am sadly not surprised.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There should still be a federal background check form (ATF form 4473) listing the seller and the buyer. If he bought it entirely on a private sale, then that form can be bypassed, but that also means he didn't buy it under his corporation.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no gun registration in Florida, and it's illegal to have a registration list.

Most states don't have any registration requirements.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Literally looser gun laws than the Wild West. Pure insanity.

God Bless the NRA! /s

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Liberals: "The Christo-fascists are coming!"

Well, yeah. They're already here and they're talking violence. Hell, the FBI already counts rightwing violence as their #1 threat.

Liberals: "We need a government registry of who owns what guns!"

Like an "undesirables" list? Count me out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was my thought. We know from statements made directly by trump that he purchased the gun relatively recently. Was it ever actually in his name? Based on the forms that I've had to fill out for purchasing both rifles and handguns, make it explicitly clear purchasing a gun for someone else isn't cool. If it can be proven that someone else bought the gun for him, or he bought it with the intention of selling it, he can end up in more hot water. At the moment, it can be assumed either of those happened, but it can't be proven.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rock solid point there! Regardless of who's selling it, who's was it to begin with? Hadn't looked at that angle.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's been brought to my attention through other comments here that Florida may not have the same registration as my home state. I'm pretty sure the form is a federal form though, or at least the background check required is federal. I'm not sure if an open investigation/indictment would show on those compared to something someone was tried and found guilty of. For where I'm at, the only way to transfer a handgun without registering it is if it were to go from parent to child, or vice versa.

Either way, I'm happy to see another twig on the fire under his dumbass, but I do like my guns and I really hope this doesn't get twisted into something to fuck that up more

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that was a valid workaround, couldn't any criminal just create corporations to own their guns?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, yeah? We do it daily.

Say I want a suppressor. OK, there's some weird legal shit here.

I can do the paperwork and pay my $200. That can is only good for that particular gun, and only as long as I own it.

So I create a trust, another legal fiction like a corporation, and put the gun inside that trust. Yes, it's a legal "bucket", kinda like a corporation. (That's really sloppy, but you get the idea.)

Now I can pass the trust onto my heirs, and they get to keep the gun/suppressor combo.

Yes, it's really that dumb. And yes, it works that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So does that help for Trump's situation? I saw ATF rule 41f closed some loopholes around NFA items by requiring background checks on people using trusts to receive NFA weapons, but does it help with plain old pistols too, if a natural person isn't allowed to have them?