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[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 91 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (3 children) No single word in the English vocabulary grates against me more than when I hear owners of residential property refer to it as "units". It's so dehumanizing. Rather, it's monetizing humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't spell humanity without unit after all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might want to inspect those words again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent [–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Reminds me of "human resources". My experiences with HR have also been largely negative. They're there to protect and make sure the humans are a resource to the company, not for the humans and humanity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hanni@lemmy.one 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) Selling the “feeling of ownership” to the have-nots. Wow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpeakinTelnet@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) aim to foster a feeling of ownership and community Sounds like EA got into property management permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree with the spirit of your comment, and I would only add that the practical implementation may need to allow for some leniency. For instance, you shouldn't be forced to sell and buy elsewhere if your life circumstances change temporarily. The law in general could allow for renting somewhere and renting out elsewhere. But I would be onboard with the overall intent of such regulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're totally tight. I should do more stretching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just build more houses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) We have like 10 empty houses for every person experiencing homelessness. How many more do we need to build? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I would like to ask this question: How many live-able houses are there? permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And 9 of those 10 are in the middle of Nowhere, Flyover. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast! permalink fedilink source parent [–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago who is going to build them permalink fedilink source parent [+] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Residentjal property shouldn't be allowed to be an investment. Or heavily taxed to make it unprofitable unless you live there yourself. Why would anyone build new apartment buildings if that were the law? We desperately need to be building more housing, and denser housing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They'd build them so they can sell them. You can own apartments too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) So everyone needs to be able to spend the upfront capital to buy a home? What about people who want to rent? There are lots of advantages to not buying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn't cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (3 children) No single word in the English vocabulary grates against me more than when I hear owners of residential property refer to it as "units". It's so dehumanizing. Rather, it's monetizing humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't spell humanity without unit after all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might want to inspect those words again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent [–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Reminds me of "human resources". My experiences with HR have also been largely negative. They're there to protect and make sure the humans are a resource to the company, not for the humans and humanity. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can't spell humanity without unit after all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might want to inspect those words again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You might want to inspect those words again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DeepGradientAscent@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure if you pick non-adjacent letters, but unit is not in humanity adjacently permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Reminds me of "human resources". My experiences with HR have also been largely negative. They're there to protect and make sure the humans are a resource to the company, not for the humans and humanity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hanni@lemmy.one 34 points 2 years ago (1 child) Selling the “feeling of ownership” to the have-nots. Wow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] SpeakinTelnet@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) aim to foster a feeling of ownership and community Sounds like EA got into property management permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I agree with the spirit of your comment, and I would only add that the practical implementation may need to allow for some leniency. For instance, you shouldn't be forced to sell and buy elsewhere if your life circumstances change temporarily. The law in general could allow for renting somewhere and renting out elsewhere. But I would be onboard with the overall intent of such regulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're totally tight. I should do more stretching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're totally tight. I should do more stretching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're totally tight. I should do more stretching. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just build more houses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) We have like 10 empty houses for every person experiencing homelessness. How many more do we need to build? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I would like to ask this question: How many live-able houses are there? permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And 9 of those 10 are in the middle of Nowhere, Flyover. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast! permalink fedilink source parent [–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago who is going to build them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (3 children) We have like 10 empty houses for every person experiencing homelessness. How many more do we need to build? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I would like to ask this question: How many live-able houses are there? permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And 9 of those 10 are in the middle of Nowhere, Flyover. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's plenty of room even in places like Venezia (source: I was living there). Problem is they are mostly empty because the rich oligarchs bought as an investment and keeps them there empty. This is also compounded by the scourge that is Airbnb that is pricing out everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I would like to ask this question: How many live-able houses are there? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And 9 of those 10 are in the middle of Nowhere, Flyover. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Oh neat, just like my house! Maybe I’ll get a neighbor and then there will be 2 people in the US who don’t live on the coast! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago who is going to build them permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) Residentjal property shouldn't be allowed to be an investment. Or heavily taxed to make it unprofitable unless you live there yourself. Why would anyone build new apartment buildings if that were the law? We desperately need to be building more housing, and denser housing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They'd build them so they can sell them. You can own apartments too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) So everyone needs to be able to spend the upfront capital to buy a home? What about people who want to rent? There are lots of advantages to not buying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn't cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They'd build them so they can sell them. You can own apartments too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) So everyone needs to be able to spend the upfront capital to buy a home? What about people who want to rent? There are lots of advantages to not buying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn't cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) So everyone needs to be able to spend the upfront capital to buy a home? What about people who want to rent? There are lots of advantages to not buying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn't cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The advantages you mention are a result of inflated values. Your parents generations could much more easily buy a property and decide to sell it within a few years to move somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago back when I was growing up (I'm under 30) a normal middle class family could own a whole ass house with more rooms than people. today's housing market is not normal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Loans exist. And reduce the upfront cost in paperwork to buying a house. It shouldn't cost nearly 5 figures just to get documents signed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So instead of paying rent, you pay loan payments. And the bank can seize your property if you can't pay. Sounds like six of one and a half-dozen of the other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're still thinking within the current broken system. The only reason the bank can seize everything unfairly no matter how much had been repaid is because the laws allow it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Even if you ignore foreclosure, mortgaging still is often more expensive than renting on average in the short term. Because part of what you're paying for in a mortgage is the fact that it has a finite length. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackout@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Rent keeps going up, my mortgage is the same regardless of that and I purchased based on what I could afford at that time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My mortgage is gone because I paid it off. Which is an option, but not for renters who have to pay forever (and in many cases, increasing rates) just to keep hold of the same 1000 SQ ft place. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neato@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Mortgage payments build equity and when you move you can sell the property and recoup nearly all of that. Rent is gone. Foreclosure is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in legislation. All that equity should still exist for the homeowner even if they stop being able to afford payments. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Starglasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent