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Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I'm by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don't even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don't exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can't just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They're an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn't going to lead to less retaliation?
The PLO wanted to remove Israel from existence for most of the time it was in power, it's not like they were saints either.
I never said they were saints?
But you very strongly implied it, stating the PLO is palatable.
I said they were secular? They are more palatable then Hamas in the wests eyes. I don't think that is controversial even.
They weren't even that, they wanted all of the Jewish immigrants gone, and the whole Palestine region returned to Palestinians. That's not secular.
I think you need to look up the word secular. It means not religious
Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn't that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
So why not just end apartheid if hamas benifits from it. Or are you just being vague on purpose?
You do realize you're just creating a situation where whatever Israel does is always justyfied? They help create a terrorist group, create an open air prison where the people who live there can't leave and then bomb their schools, hospitals, refugee camps etc. Always with the excuse that Hamas might be there. So what's the excuse for murdering Shireen Abu Akleh in cold blood? Or for the settler colonialism in the west bank? What is about colonialism you don't understand that leads to more and more violence?
You should definitely work on your reading comprehension if you think I said You have the power to end apartheid lol. Israel does
Do you normaly just insult people when you loose arguments? I guess it makes sense when you have nothing to contribute
"putting a foot on the ground"
You mean a ground invasion? Which they've already started. The bombing is just to minimise Israeli casualities.
Mate, they've tanks circling Gaza city the ships sailed for provoking neighbours and they've already provoked Jordan by bombing ambulances, aid convoys, hospitals and schools.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.