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I don't know.
It seems to me that when objectively bad people take themselves out of the equation then it's a net positive for everyone.
Yeah, for example convicted pedos have a higher suicide rate than the average - I don't think most people believe that is a statistic we should work on changing.
I think that is a statistic we should work on changing. There is still a lot research to be done, but it is possible that poedophilia is not so different fron being sexually attracted to people of your own gender. Your brain is just wired differently, in the case of pedophilia wrong. But you don't exactly get to pick if and how you are born.
Societies outlaw living out these sexual desires for obvious reasons, which (in better parts of the world) obviously don't apply if you on the other hand e.g. have consensual sexual experiences between two adults of the same sex.
Obviously sexual acts between adults and kids are not okay, no argument there. That is why we outlaw it, rightfully so. We can, (usually want) and definitely should protect all babies, childen and young adults in our societies. Doesn't mean you are a waste of oxygen if you have pedophilic urges, but don't act upon them. There is also without a doubt a higher rate of suicides among those people. It is not a net positive.
The human sex drive is very strong, so despite having rules against non consensual or considered unacceptable sexual urges, people live those out. Sexual harassment is a better example for this.
My hope would be that someday we can somehow effectively help people who are sexually attracted to babies, kids and underage people without incarceration. There is already drugs that can supress any kind of sexual desire. We just don't do enough research on this topic, because helping people struggling with pedophilic thoughts (especially those not having done anything wrong and never choosing that life) is a very unpopular topic. So we rather avoid it.
That goes for a lot of other mental illness like narcissistic or psychopathic disorders that tend to cause harm if lived out as well.
Not helping people afflicted by what we consider malfunctions of the human brain and letting them slide into more mental health problems, which might ultimately lead to their suicide is NOT a net positiv, is is a net negative. Always will be, unless you got your priorities wrong or can't feel empathy.
My statement wasn't about what's "morally right", it was an example of a suicide that the average person will consider a net gain for society.
A civilized society should obviously not have as its' goal to make parts of its' inhabitants kill themselves - the podcast that I got the statistic from was actually an interview with a police officer who worked on monitoring related internet activities, and proactively confronting said individuals to offer preventative chemical castration and therapy sessions. That still doesn't change the fact that most would rather just see those kinds of people gone, at least after they're convicted/proven to act upon their urges.
Okay, I see that as valuable context to what you wrote before and mostly agree. Thanks for adding that.
Though I also want to protect children from sexual abuse by adults, which is about the worst thing one can do, I do believe nevertheless it is still the right thing to try and help even the worst among us after they served their time, need rehabilitation more than ever and if they want and can be helped of course.
That's a whole different topic to what happened to the man in thr article and I don't want to go down this specific rabbithole any further. I hope that's okay with you.
Oh wonderful, the regressives are here with their whole "homosexuals are pedophiles" shtick.
They obviously aren't, don't be a dimwit.
No need to deny it, you know I was referring to you.
Since we clearly reached the "no, you!" stage of this argument and there is evidently no point in going forward, let me wish you a great day and you take care of yourself.
I'd say we reached the stage where you realize people saw through you to the shitty regressive you really are.
Thanks. I wish you realize how much your shitty politics hurt people and change.
I do know.
It is not like I shed tears for bad people dying. You don't have to either.
I just don't want suicide to be celebrated. And I want suicide to be understood as (in the vast majority of cases) a very bad thing people commit, because their are mentally ill. Science is also backing up that celebrating or even covering suicide can bring other people to kill themselves too, who are good peoole, simply ill and shouldn't.
Suicide is not normal.
Was he objectively bad though? You're quick to judge him.
Yeah WTF, cross dressing is objectively bad? People don't even try to hide their bigotry anymore. If anyone should get back in the closet it is the bigots.
You didn’t read the article did you?
He posted photos of local residents (including minors) in his sex fantasy fiction. He actually NAMED a local businesswoman in a story he wrote where he kills her and assumes her identity, seduces her husband, and takes over her life.
“To call myself a stalker would be an understatement.” He wrote before going on about analyzing every social media post the woman made and collecting her photos like pornographic baseball cards.
This person was batshit crazy and a potentially dangerous predator.
How anyone that unstable can convince people that they’re just your average Joe, mentally well and healthy enough to become a mayor, is beyond me.
Cross dressing isn’t bad. Sexually obsessing over everyone in your town and naming them in a public forum is miiiiilllllleeees above being creepy. It’s like something out of the Twilight Zone.
I wish he could have gotten help. I wish he didn’t end his own life. That doesn’t change the reality here.
The publication did nothing wrong by bringing this to the attention of the public. The parents of the kids whose images he posted on pornographic websites needed to be made aware of this bizarre shit.
If he hadn’t named anyone or shared photos of actual people that had known him all their lives, I’d feel a little differently about it.
The headline is clickbait. Read the article.
My bad, I only scanned it. Thanks for the clarification.
Thank you. The crazy amount of people who have absolutely refused to pay attention is mind boggling and concerning.
Seriously, thank you.
Dang he is the exact perfect match of the conservative Boogeyman.
He is trans, trying to push a "real" woman out her space, grooming kids, a threat to hetrosexual marriage, and mentally ill.
This is like if I invented a person named Reginald Slavetrader who born wealthy went to Harvard for economics. Now spends his day writing articles denying global warming and calling for less banking regulations.
Isn't it amazing how perfectly this matches up? This guy just happens to have all the traits conservatives happen to hate and was caught by a conservative operator.
They present evidence. Tons of it.