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Israeli troops advance toward Gaza City as the Palestinian death toll rises above 9,000 (apnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe if Israel actually allowed Gaza to hold elections

They did hold elections, Gaza elected Hamas and then Hamas did a coup and ensured an election has not been held there since.

Israel is never going to have true security keeping a group of people trapped, without political rights, with strict controls on their access to basic goods.

I think they recognize this, given their recent statements. Hamas has made it clear they will not surrender or negotiate for a viable peace no matter how much worse Israel can and will make things. I suspect for this reason we're probably going to see a forcible regime change and/or some annexation in Gaza very soon.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was specifically referring to the 2021 elections and Israel's refusal to allow East Jerusalem to vote after Israel annexed the territory. But you probably knew that. Palestinians dislike Hamas, an election likely would have removed them from power, but Israel gave Hamas the bullshit excuse it needed to stay in power. Great job!

Hamas has made it clear they will not surrender or negotiate for a viable peace

I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems or were specifically ignoring the point, but I was explicitly talking about what comes after Hamas. You have 2.1 million people in a cage for decades. You cut off their food and water for weeks, kill 10,000 people, over half children, and you think even after you kill every Hamas leader and solider that the citizens that left are just going to go back to living in their cage without human rights? This is something the US learned in Afghanistan, you kill one civilian, you create two new terrorists. The same will happen here. Unless, of course, your intention was to lump all Palestinians under the label of "Hamas", in which case consider your true colors seen!

I suspect for this reason we’re probably going to see a forcible regime change and/or some annexation in Gaza very soon.

I also agree that Israel intends to engage in illegal ethnic cleansing. Glad we're on the same page about that at least.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I was specifically referring to the 2021 elections and Israel’s refusal to allow East Jerusalem to vote after Israel annexed the territory. But you probably knew that.

Actually I am unaware of this, time for some reading, thanks for mentioning it. Any sources besides Wikipedia you'd recommend?

What comes after Hamas[?] You cut off their food and water for weeks, kill 10,000 people, over half children, and you think even after you kill every Hamas leader and solider that the citizens that left are just going to go back to living in their cage without human rights?

Rage doesn't change their realpolitik situation. At this rate they if don't make viable peace their remaining land will ebb away. If they are left in charge, I wonder if PA might be more amenable to real concessions now that they see how bad massive civilian attacks combined with a refusal to negotiate or surrender has made things for Hamas. If nothing else this has shown things can always get worse for them if they choose not to pacify. Gaza is experiencing the stick, next Israel will probably offer Palestinian leaders willing to be reasonable a carrot.
That's presuming Israel doesn't annex the entirety of Gaza, they reportedly tried negotiating for Egypt to take in all 2 million Gazans.

I also agree that Israel intends to engage in illegal ethnic cleansing.

Calling it ethnic cleansing doesn't make much sense given that 20% of Israel's citizenry is Arab. Israel is not ethnically homogeneous, but perhaps moving people who are actively trying to kill them and unwilling to surrender farther away from them violates some other international law their opponents can clutch pearls over:

The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group."