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Both Ukraine and Palestine are fighting against an invading force. We can unanimously agree that Palestinians have have been illegally occupied in an open air prison/concentration camp for 75 years. And we seem to agree that Palestine cannot be a perfect victim and it is reasonable that they seek support in Hamas instead of their Israeli oppressors.

Now why can't the same logic be applied to Ukraine? There is absolutely a nazi problem in Ukraine. A nazi problem that needs to be wiped out. But Russia isnt trying to denazify Ukraine, they're trying to maintain borders and resist NATO. But while doing so they are indiscriminately killing civilians and are the aggressors.

Personally, I believe in what Norman Finkelstein has to say about Hezbollah and the red army. Both are not perfect, but I don't care about their politics. I care that they are a resisting force and believe a country should have the right to self determination.

So how are these situations diametrically opposed that you seem to be hostile towards Ukraine but supportive of Palestine?

I don't mean to come off as shaming or judgemental. I genuinely would like to hear your perspective.

Edit: I appreciate all of the thoughtful and patient responses. Even though I might not respond to everything here I am reading all of it. I was operating under a lack of information, which I've never seen any Western media source report on. Ever since leaving reddit, hexbear has been a great source of alternative perspectives and context. It's opened my eyes to a lot of how I've been misled by papers that I've trusted.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

The NATO weapons and money for Ukraine ensures only that more people die and more of the built environment is destroyed, so that it can be rebuilt as shittily as possible with Western loans. This is a win-win for the ruling class of all countries involved, even Russia. Public funds are laundered to weapons manufacturers and the post-war economy of Ukraine will be of course be overseen directly by IMF/World Bank/Wall Street, with permanent austerity imposed on the population and a US business-friendly collaborator government full of assorted beneficiaries of the Western "aide" and propaganda (Azov) who will sell their people and resources out for pennies on the dollar.

Just thinking about it logically, I don't believe that some border regions of a border region are worth displacing and in many cases completely altering the futures of millions of people. Refugees across Europe, who in some cases won't integrate well and can be turned in scapegoats ("terrorists") for future CIA activity.