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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
  1. They did that. In Gaza. And it went really poorly if you haven't noticed. Which is actually why settlement in the West Bank started getting much stronger support within the government and from the population at large. So now you're fighting the war on two fronts?

  2. Don't pretend like it's only Al-Aqsa. Also, it's not typically the Israeli government that does this. Mostly the Haredi. So how will you do this? And what will occur when you come up with the anti-raiding plan?

Does any of this stop Hamas from attacking the country you're supposed to be protecting?

So what have you accomplished?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

You're an idiot, stop all settlers not just some of them. Gaza and the west bank. If the Israeli government has the power to level Gaza, they have the power reign in the "haredi". What in the world do you mean by:

Don't pretend like it's only Al-Aqsa

You mean the second-most holy place in Islam?

You've very clearly already made up your mind, why ask so many pointed questions if you're not interested in understanding any other POV?

[-] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago

I'm an idiot. For knowing that the plan was to leave Gaza entirely, then leave the West bank with some settlements being dismantled and some to be dealt with in future negotiations. But the catastrophe that was the Gaza withdrawal halted that plan entirely.

And third holiest site in Islam. But the temple mount which Jews are kept from visiting most of the time, is the holiest site in Judaism. Which is why I said don't pretend it is only al aqsa.

I'm clearly a supporter of Israel. But I try to understand multiple sides. Doesn't mean I have to think every side is right. Concerning the temple mount and al aqsa, I would prefer both groups get along and share. I don't like Bibi and loathe ben Gvir. And while I absolutely do think continuing ahead with a withdrawal plan for west bank would've made Israel less safe, I do wish they hadn't increased settlements.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Seriously how would you feel if someone tomorrow comes to your house and kicks you out. Then puts you in an open air prison, restricts your right of movement immensely, treats you like a second class human being. Are you really so naïve?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

If you think that is an adequate description of the history of the area then your problem is clearly a total lack of education or research on the topic.

First, we need a starting point. At what point in history should we consider the people living in the region as indigenous? Concerning the open air prison, that's mostly used in reference to Gaza. So did Israel put them there or are they indigenous? Also, they have a border with Egypt too. Why is that border not working out?

I'm not naive. I am fully aware that the entire region has a very complicated history. One that you can't distill into a couple of lazy catch phrases. And there is a mix of good and bad things for everyone involved. You say Israel treats then as second class. Have you ever read the Hamas charter? Especially the pre 2017 charter. See what it says about women, Jews, religion. See what it implies about LGBT rights.

You call me naive. But, ask yourself, what history do you know of the region. And what are things you're just parroting?

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