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President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren't behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was "the data I was shown by my Defense Department."

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can think whatever you like, but that means you either have to ignore all the evidence indicating that you're wrong, or you have to have additional evidence to prove you're right. You not liking something doesn't count as evidence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don't need counter -evidence if you recognize the source as unreliable and biased, which it is.

The fact that you choose to take the US government at face value doesn't mean anyone else has to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Trust the US intelligence and defense capabilities bro. They never fake data or mislead the public. This is not like the time in the past when they fake information to justify foreign policies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I don't understand people who do that, to be honest.

They have repeatedly lied to their own citizens about health and safety. There are multiple channels dedicated to talking about the superfund sites within the US. Most of the time, the people who lived in these horribly toxic areas were lied to by the government, and were told that they were safe. It has led to a large number of injuries, deaths, and deformities. The government regularly refused to acknowledge the harm until it was way to late to stop the people from being afflicted. I would never fully trust someone who allowed children to play in lead dust, and I especially wouldn't trust someone who told them it was safe to do so.

I know my country's government wouldn't be much better to trust at face value, realistically. So, I don't.

Historically, blindly trusting a government can turn out very badly. The people in office are human, so it only makes sense that some of them may be corrupt.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firstly, there is plenty of evidence that counters the claim. Secondly, your willingness to believe the US security state at its word is evidence in itself of how many of you people are susceptible to propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I reached independently the same conclusion before these news sites which you can verify by going thru my post history. This is not me taking their word for it. They're just confirming my prior analysis.

If you have evidence to the contrary I'm interested in seeing it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you share your insights on how you made your conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can find the video/picture evidence in my comment history from few days ago.

There's videos from several different angles showing a rocket salvo being fired from Gaza towards Israel where you can see the explosion at the hospital. It was most likely a malfunctioning unguided rocket from fired by Hamas. The bombs Israel is using are much bigger and guided meaning if they had targeted the hospital they would've also hit the hospital and there would be nothing left of it. Now all we have is few burnt cars on a parking lot where the rocket hit with no even visible crater on the ground. That damage perfectly matches the kind of damage caused by their mostly home-made rockets.

Then there's also the initial claims about "leveled hospital building" and "500 people dead" but recent aerial images shows the hospital still very much intact. Also intentionally targeting a hospital while under immense scrutiny from international media doesn't seems like the smartest thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, I have seen some compiled sources that show that israyel is continuously changing their narrative. That's the only evidence I have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60EK-3-kGLI

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that is suspicious, I'll admit that. However I doubt the advisor for prime minister has real time access to information about military operations so it's most likely that his comments on it are based on news/social media sources that later turned out to be incorrect.

So far, there appears to be no conclusive evidence to determine who was behind the second blast, the one that hit al-Ahli hospital. A number of organisations have suggested that the relatively small crater left by the attack appears incompatible with weapons habitually launched by Israel.

Marc Garlasco, a military adviser at the PAX Protection of Civilians team, noted the impact point did not appear to be consistent with the 500, 1000 or 2000-pound bombs used in Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) used by Israel, according to the Bellingcat report.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's also sad that only Israel approved investigators can do the work. That does not help Israel in clearing their name.