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Incorrect. According to linguistics, the public gets to name it. You can call it whatever you like when you invent it but there is zero guarantee that people are going to call it that. Example? Do you go around calling it 'Hook and Loop fastener' or do you call it Velcro? Even the company Velcro openly says its called hook and loop fastener but no one listens to them. One could argue it's a form of neologism in that the public has taken a different name and stuck it to it. Other examples are using xerox instead of photocopying, grabbing a kleenex instead of a facial tissue, or a q-tip instead of a cotton swap. The same logic applies to the public adoption of how to pronounce a word. Want more proof? Every major dictionary lists the pronunciation as both giff and jiff. Cambridge Dictionary doesn't even have jiff, it only has giff as the pronunciation.
So at the MOST you could argue that we're both right but you it's simply untrue to say that the public doesn't get to name it and simply untrue that the correct way is jiff.
Oxford English Dictionary
Merriam-Webster
Dictionary.com
Cambridge Dictionary
Those are just brand names, completely irrelevant to the discussion. If you went around calling "hook and loop tape" "book and poop tape" you'd be wrong. Like you are now.
And no, the public doesn't get to name it. They can call it whatever they like, but they don't get to decide its correct name. Hook and loop tape is still called hook and loop tape, even if most people say velcro. Between the two names, "hook and loop tape" is the most correct. Velcro is a colloqualism.
If you were to write it in an essay or scientific paper, you would say "hook and loop tape". If it was actually Velcro branded, you'd say "Velcro branded hook and loop tape".
You've now twice attempted and failed to pass off a logical fallacy as an actual argument.
Nope. Not irrelevant to the discussion, it's a demonstration of a neologism. I could use other examples as well. That being said...
The fact that you're just doubling down on that one individual thing and ignoring everything else really goes to show that you literally have no answer to the whole part about how dictionaries are literally proving you wrong. You know. On a meme post that you are getting really weirdly upset over.
Have fun with that lol
"Ignoring everything else" lmao what other points have you made? I've shut down every part of everything you've said while you completely ignored my comment about how acronyms are not pronounced according to their constituents. You also completely ignored my point about "hook and loop tape" still being the most correct name, and how in any professional setting "velcro" would be insufficiently descriptive.
"doubling down on that one individual thing and ignoring everything else really goes to show that you literally have no answer" - irony
"A meme post that you are getting really weirdly upset over" - delicious irony
And you keep using the word neologism, but I don't think you understand what it means. Brand names are not neologisms. You have given exactly 0 examples of neologisms.
I'm not trying to make you pronounce gif correctly, you can pronounce it wrong if you want, just don't strut around acting like you're saying it right when you're clearly not.
Jod, imagine jetting so worked up about how a word is pronounced. Gesus Krist.