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Yeah clearly killing women and children is defense, that's why it's called the IDF
Listen, the children are victims (women get IDF training same as men though so lol) but they are victims of Israel. Dont put children on the front line of a settler colonial project.
The Hatians killed their masters. Was that wrong?
What kind of parents choose to bring their children to live on stolen land in a war zone?
this might be controversial, but in my opinion killing children is bad regardless of where you do it
Number of Palestinian children killed: 365 children. And I bet the number from Israel is way lower.
spread over the past 2 decades the actual number is closer to 2000
and that is reprehensible because killing kids is bad
and you dont have to bet, israel can keep count of their victims a lot better, we have a relatively accurate idea of how many there are
and that is reprehensible because killing kids is bad
Killing children is bad indeed which is why the occupation must end. All violence in Palestine comes from there. If you don't want the violence of decolonisation, don't commit the atrocities of colonisation.
The children didn’t exactly have a choice when their parents chose to be settlers.
which is why those children are victims of their parents and their government
Youre talking a big game for someone whos never been enslaved (or held in an open air prison).
Listen, I'm not happy about the death of kids either, I'm just saying that revolutions are never, ever clean because oppressive violence breeds revolutionary violence and these people are angry and hopeless and you cant abandon the cause of the oppressed because of excesses. The oppressor has killed way more kids and will continue to if they're not stopped. Like its really easy to talk from your high horse of privilege and judge revolutionary movements and tut tut but at the end of the day it comes down to what you actually care about. Because way more kids are going to be killed if the genocide of Palestinians isn't stopped. And that includes Israeli kids because the Palestinians are going to fight back and they aren't always going to be perfect victims about it. Israel can stop this at any time.
this implies that you actually think hamas killing kids was A) necessary for stopping the butchering of palestinians, and B) had any chance of stopping the butchering of palestinians in general, as opposed to giving israel the perfect excuse to start carpet bombing with no restraint. it didnt stop the genocide, there arent fewer casualties and there never were going to be, this was always going to accelerate the conflict towards a full-blown ethnic cleansing- thats probably why Israel did nothing to stop it despite having been warned by neighouring intelligence ahencies beforehand
and yes, it is easy for me to talk from my ivory tower, and im aware that these folks dont have the privilege of debating this shit as opposed to living it, and just quitting out the app when theyre tired of it, the same way any other conflict is a lot easier to judge from afar
im not calling them monsters* or subhuman, im not implying they deserve what theyre getting or that this is anything less than a crime against humanity
killing kids is bad, regardless of how justified it felt for them
*barring the actually openly sadistic shit, such as the fucks who raped their victims 'in the name of a free palestine!'
This implies that you have proof that the killing of kids was intentional (IF it even happened, there's still no concrete evidence for that yet either).
Do you have proof?
Because saying "killing kids is bad" will not convince me that Hamas is actually doing this.