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So they escaped russian occupation of Ukraine to Israel-occupied Palestine. Some irony.
It was more the Americans - factions within Britain warned that this would be an untenable situation.
And there's the rub. There are no considerations where land appropriated by the west from a (non-Russian, non-German) current population for a long-since displaced population as some sort of reparation for Russian and German aggression will somehow come to a stable peace.
All that said, the actions of Israel in isolating Palestinians into a ghetto where control is by fiat and without any consideration for self-determination and independence is not just ironic but also a source of constant and mounting friction and discontent within the repressed population. There may not be a way to resolve the condition, but the current attitude by Israel is actively aggravating it.
Note: I'm a second generation descendent of Russian Jews. I still see the entire Israeli/Palestinian condition as untenable.
one side has power and the other side does not. it's a bit disingenuous to blame both sides. Israel could have just divested all interest in the Palestinian lands. left them to it. It would have not been any different except the people of Gaza would be able to blame Hamas for their issues rather than Israel.
One suspects that Israel benefits from keeping the wounds open. unfortunately it is a reason to continue to take land.
Power but not choice. Where would they go?
Israel does.not necessarily need to go anywhere.
they do need to stop messing in Gaza.
remove their illegal settlements.
would be nice if they could stop committing ethnic cleansing
Two States is the only real solution, and Israel has increasingly been making that solution impossible by continuing to support and expand settlements in West Bank and elsewhere.
Frankly, settlements in the West Bank have to be entirely destroyed. Hamas has to be destroyed, too.
But Israel isn't sincere about peace, and its continual encroachment on Palestinian lands proves it.
Parts?
Kind of, they did put borders in though. Israel has repeatedly invaded further land, so it's definitely their fault at this point.
Let go of your delusion. Israel owns the land now. Russia is occupying and will be kicked out. Even Ukraine agrees with Israels actions. This isn't a marvel movie.
It's land, and Israel has no greater claim than Palestine does.
If they can't live together in that area I don't think we should let them have governments. Maybe they should just become a vassal state and maybe in a hundred years after every one of the people who are alive and part of this conflict are dead they can be permitted to start electing their own leadership again.
Israel has proven that it can't self-govern without genocide, and Palestine doesn't have a government because it's literally a nation of children who weren't born when the government was elected.
The irony of using the word delusion while failing to perform basic pattern-matching . . .