▲ 845 ▼ Kevin McCarthy is ousted as House speaker in a historic vote pushed by conservatives (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 263 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (4 children) Amazing that the founding fathers didn't contemplate the possibility of a felon under active lawsuits becoming speaker permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) In defense of the founding fathers, they were all traitors to the crown and enemies of the state when they wrote that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) Possibly they were young and drunk too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* They also sold drugs, ran guns, and said fuck the law. This documentary touches on it. https://youtu.be/ABhyKEK-CDg?si=5g1fbVMMqLtoJoSR permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Also opiun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Boys will be boys permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 2 years ago ...and? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Varixable@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The founding fathers were amazingly shit at game theory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering no one would formalize game theory for 150 years it's not particularly surprising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You don't need to necessarily formalize game theory to consider things like: hey, we just gave the president the authority to pardon. Couldn't they abuse that? What if they pardon someone who was doing something illegal that they ordered? What if they commit a crime and pardon themselves? I mean, that's the most obvious one that you don't really need formal game theory to know could be a problem. Then there are all the other problems. Checks and balances are good, but when a powerful faction uses its power to put loyalists into the thing that's supposed to balance them, the system seems to unravel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They didn't even contemplate the House Speaker being in the Presidential line of succession. Which is the reason they want to put Trump there. Not that it would work; they'd have to remove both the President and Vice President at the same time, and the Senate ain't going to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago An angry mob with strong will to unalive certain people before the #3 in the line of succession would be a major concern permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) In defense of the founding fathers, they were all traitors to the crown and enemies of the state when they wrote that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) Possibly they were young and drunk too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* They also sold drugs, ran guns, and said fuck the law. This documentary touches on it. https://youtu.be/ABhyKEK-CDg?si=5g1fbVMMqLtoJoSR permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Also opiun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Boys will be boys permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 2 years ago ...and? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) Possibly they were young and drunk too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* They also sold drugs, ran guns, and said fuck the law. This documentary touches on it. https://youtu.be/ABhyKEK-CDg?si=5g1fbVMMqLtoJoSR permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Also opiun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Boys will be boys permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* They also sold drugs, ran guns, and said fuck the law. This documentary touches on it. https://youtu.be/ABhyKEK-CDg?si=5g1fbVMMqLtoJoSR permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Also opiun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The founding fathers were amazingly shit at game theory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering no one would formalize game theory for 150 years it's not particularly surprising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You don't need to necessarily formalize game theory to consider things like: hey, we just gave the president the authority to pardon. Couldn't they abuse that? What if they pardon someone who was doing something illegal that they ordered? What if they commit a crime and pardon themselves? I mean, that's the most obvious one that you don't really need formal game theory to know could be a problem. Then there are all the other problems. Checks and balances are good, but when a powerful faction uses its power to put loyalists into the thing that's supposed to balance them, the system seems to unravel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Considering no one would formalize game theory for 150 years it's not particularly surprising. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You don't need to necessarily formalize game theory to consider things like: hey, we just gave the president the authority to pardon. Couldn't they abuse that? What if they pardon someone who was doing something illegal that they ordered? What if they commit a crime and pardon themselves? I mean, that's the most obvious one that you don't really need formal game theory to know could be a problem. Then there are all the other problems. Checks and balances are good, but when a powerful faction uses its power to put loyalists into the thing that's supposed to balance them, the system seems to unravel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago You don't need to necessarily formalize game theory to consider things like: hey, we just gave the president the authority to pardon. Couldn't they abuse that? What if they pardon someone who was doing something illegal that they ordered? What if they commit a crime and pardon themselves? I mean, that's the most obvious one that you don't really need formal game theory to know could be a problem. Then there are all the other problems. Checks and balances are good, but when a powerful faction uses its power to put loyalists into the thing that's supposed to balance them, the system seems to unravel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) They didn't even contemplate the House Speaker being in the Presidential line of succession. Which is the reason they want to put Trump there. Not that it would work; they'd have to remove both the President and Vice President at the same time, and the Senate ain't going to do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago An angry mob with strong will to unalive certain people before the #3 in the line of succession would be a major concern permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago An angry mob with strong will to unalive certain people before the #3 in the line of succession would be a major concern permalink fedilink source parent