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This has to be bad news. Given the UKIP entryism into local parties, this will likely further embed the Conservatives' shift away from the centre, towards the far-right.
We need a centre-right party in UK politics. The longer the far right are able to wear the skin of the old Conservative party, the more unwarranted influence they will have over the direction of the country.
Labour are pretty centre right under Starmer.
Only in the land of Corbyn cosplayers.
We basically have a neoliberal uniparty right now. Tories, Labour, who cares… big business is in charge.
Labour haven't been in power for like 12 years, who knows how well they'd govern compared to the current conservatives? This is a totally fallacious take repeated too often.
No.
Labour have proven in the past that they are also in the pockets of big business. In 4 years time you'll be saying, "give the Conservatives a chance, they haven't been in power for 4 years." Fuck that. We need a new world order that isn't run by mega corporations hell-bent on profit at any cost. We can't trust any of the established ruling class any longer.
Yeah, well while you're working on that I'll take the guys who aren't Bond villains thanks. Labour has proven anything in the past that's disgusted and enraged me more than this government does almost every day.
Ultimately you have a point but we can't be ambivalent or reductive in our philosophy.
It's ridiculous to accuse the Tories of being "neoliberal". Perhaps they used to be*, but they've since morphed into a far right populist party. They are actively working against everything that liberals stand for: free trade, human rights, personal freedoms, regulated free markets, etc.
I get that you don't like those things, and that you also don't like the Tories, but to conflate the two just makes you sound ridiculous.
* - if "neoliberal" had any concrete meaning - which I would dispute.