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Italy and Ukraine are on the receiving side of the propping. Israel is a good mention but probably a lesser participant than the big three (the US does most of the dirty work for them).
In addition to supporting culturally reactionary and discriminatory governments, the far right fawns over the totalitarian strong-man geopolitics.
And as it is known, it's convenient for Russia to build fascist-aligned support in their targets to have a casus belli for their internal audience. All while following fascist doctrines themselves
Last I checked it's the US that's been doing the exact same thing as nazis since WW2 https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
The fact that US has been committing atrocities on the global scale for at least a century is crucial context for evaluating behavior of other countries Nothing Russia has done even begins to compare to the behavior US regularly exhibits. Countries have to be held to the same moral standard, and until the west starts accounting for its own crimes it is in no position to play world police or judge other countries.
Meanwhile, Chomsky is an accomplished political scientists with many published academic works on the subject. Dismissing hims as a linguistics professor shows profound lack of intellectual honesty on your part. And of course, nobody is asking you to take what he says as fact based on him saying it. The article makes a case that stands on its own merit, which you'd quickly realize if you bothered reading it.
So you/re now admitting that you're intentionally mischaracterizing Chomsky's area of expertise then. Then you proceed to straw man about excusing something. What was said to you is that the west has to hold itself to the same moral standard that it aims to hold others to. Until people in the west can fix their own broken society they have no business running around judging others. It's absolutely incredible that you can't comprehend this.
That's a really incredible take on US having a proxy war with Russia.
All NATO had to do was to not keep expanding east the way NATO promised to do when USSR dissolved. Nothing more complicated than that. Super easy... barely an inconvenience. So easy even a caveman could do it.
Even Stoltenberg openly admits that NATO expansion was what caused the war:
Your shithole country wanting to be the world hegemon is why the war is happening. The war will end once your deplorable regime decides to abandon Ukraine like a used condom, and we're already seeing signs that this is happening. You fuckers used the people of Ukraine in an idiotic ploy to try and weaken Russia somehow. This scheme was even openly explained by RAND in this paper. Now we see the consequences of that.
NATO expansion started long before Putin got into power buddy, with NATO was invading countries like Yugoslavia. I wonder why Russia would see it as a threat. You just keep on making excuses there for your deplorable empire.
This perfectly sums up your comment history.
And what was the path which made that possible in Ukraine and Italy? They didn't fall to fascist populists while being a power which strengthens fascist populists globally. It's hard to see what kind of 4D chess would make Ukraine create fascist minded separatists to be conquered and then fight them with neonazi militia.
The USSR was quite aligned with their own take on fascism. That's history.
I don't think there's any question if the USA is influencing Ukraine?
I tried to say earlier that the neofascists and its support in Italy didn't come from nowhere organically. And that support leads to gaining power through elections (I guess as opposed to a coup or whatever?) as nations with elections do