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A group of Russian servicemen recorded this video before being sent by Putin into a meat assault in Klischiivka, Bakhmut direction.

The men, counting 10 members plus 5 in support, were told to occupy a residential area in Klischiivka, where Ukrainian superiority was tenfold, in addition to firepower from Leopard tanks.

They added that in Klischiivka, Russians already lost 1000-1200 soldiers senselessly. This was necessary to enable positive reports on the news about Russian counterattacks in the area.

Recorded on 19 September, the video was meant to be released to the public if "something went wrong" with the men. Their fate is not known.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tactic developed by Wagnar.

The create a plan with fixed waypoints for a squad to run. They plan for 5-8 squads to run the route at set intervals.

The idea is each squad exposes the Ukrainian position so the next squad knows where to attack. By sending so many squads in a short space of time the Ukrainian position is overwhelmed.

Wagner would plan to have the first 4-7 squads made up of convict units with minimal training, with a trained well equipped squad operating as a reserve. The idea being as soon as a Ukrainian position looked to be close to failure the reserve is dispatched.

Fundamentally everyone apart from the well trained reserve exists to soak up bullets and explosives. They are "meat".

The Russian army had "well" trained battalions, as those battalions are attrited it would shrink them down to maintain effectiveness.

With Wagner's success they backfilled the battalions with convict and mobilisation soliders. Those soliders are used following the tactic above with the original remnants of the battalion representing the well trained reserve.

This is how Russia solved their inability to train new soliders

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Russian strategy...

Just keep throwing bodies and hope the enemy runs out of bullets or are eventually overwhelmed by constant attacks.

It's like "meat for the grinder". Everyone knows if you get sent there's almost no chance of surviving, because retreat isn't an option and the only chance of "winning" is a fluke of luck. Even then it's the following waves after the luck that might have a chance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Retreat is an option, but an equally deadly one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not equally....

You ain't surviving going back thru Russia. Because any other troops that see you, are making you join them. Probably after taking any functional equipment you have and handing you a shovel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Equally, because Russia employs Barrier troops that will shoot people that run away.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I guess they misused the phrase meat grinder there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I assume it's a simple editing mistake, similar to when you're talking to someone and your brain decides to change the wording half-way through the words you were originally going to say and you end up saying a weird hybrid of the two. So they probably originally said "to assault" but while they were changing things around they meant to change it to "into a meat grinder" but didn't quite finish the job. I know I've made errors like that before.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, I've seen this phrase used increasingly over the past few months to describe this kind of thing. The meaning is as you surmised, it's an assault that is known to be simply feeding men into a meatgrinder. The hope is apparently to jam the meatgrinder with too much meat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also forces the Ukrainians to use artillery shells and ammunition.

The Kremlin has basically made the cold hard calculation that one Russian life is worth less than an artillery shell and some bullets and the chance of delaying the inevitable for a while longer.

Wouldn't be surprised that by the time this is over, half a million Russians are dead.

Of course, to paraphrase Stalin, it's not the dead that count, it's the people who count the dead. I'm sure they'll simply deny half of them died at all, and families will have to live with it. Just Russia things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Idk in military terms, but I assault my meat daily

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Depends.

A good T-bone drenched in pure butter, I'll assault that thing in ways that can't be televised.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah good question. I thought it was..... something else