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heated arguments with my dad (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I had some pretty brutal discussions with my dad who is a hardcore liberal of the "the answer lies somewhere between the middle of left and right" type. He agrees with a lot of socialist stances and class war but refuses to acknowledge that a revolution is needed to achieve socialism, that killing people wouldn't make us better than the owning class and that violence is bad and that we should try to change the system by voting that voting will bring lasting change and not a revolution....all this kind of crap. He thinks that i got too "radicalized" and that im stuck in a bubble of propaganda and now he wants to have more control of the media i consume and that when he sees me watching or reading an article that i show him the sources of these articles. He really wants me to "keep an open-mind" which to him literally just means returning to being a liberal. The more of these discussions i have with my father the more i feel a distance between us and i would love if we just ignored our political opinions and kept living our lives how we always did but he insists that i am being groomed by some megalomaniac organization or a goofy ah evil person to join some kind of leftist jihad: "Yes you are entitled to have your opinion but you should also keep an open mind but the problem is that your opinion is not correct" that all i hear from him.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t know how likely it is to work, but it’s worked for me before. I’d argue that regular capitalism is far more bloody than a revolution. 20 million people die from capitalism every year (malnutrition, preventable disease etc) because it’s not profitable to allocate resources to those who need it. Capitalism needs constant wars to function. The US has only not been at war for like 15 years of it’s existence. Democrats aren’t doing much good and are in essence enabling the rightward shift. They’re all neoliberals and each president is worse than the last. If they’re really pacifist brained ask if it was right to fight the Nazis and stuff like that. All of this can be proven with mainstream sources.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.