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Russia dismisses Ukraine peace plan: ‘Let’s decide it on the battlefield’ (www.scmp.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yes exactly, how dare a defending country propose a peace plan, the nerve of those Ukrainians wanting peace for Ukraine and fellow Ukrainians.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's not the point. The point is whether Ukraine's peace plan makes sense in the context of the current situation in Ukraine. It doesn't, and frankly it's an indication that Ukraine really doesn't want peace right now because they dont think they have the leverage to demand a fair peace.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ukraine know well enough that if Putin gets anything from this war, the next one is just a few years away. If they were to ever give him the slightest bit of territory they'd get peace for a couple of years only. Why do people like you not understand this?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then why have a peace blueprint in the first place? By your description, Ukraine has no reason whatsoever to ask for peace. Why propose a peace blueprint?

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    But why? Why would Russia invade again in a few years? What's the logic behind that? Just "putler bad", "russia bad". Or is there any actual reasoning on why?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Because they won territory. If you win territory in a dispute, it's much easier to sell the whole conflict as a win to your population. If you come home empty-handed, it's much more difficult.

    Tell me: if the war concludes and Russia gets territory, why wouldn't they do it again? Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist. If Russia sees that their previous invasion netted them territory, how is that not a confirmation that they can win territory by invading other countries?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist

    Then... they failed? You're saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they can't win hard enough to actually get what they want.

    You're also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isn't a reason for them to invade again. Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they don't have any reason to invade again.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist

    Then… they failed? You’re saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they can’t win hard enough to actually get what they want.

    Sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say here. If, for example, one reason for the initial attack was enlarging their area for more natural resources, why would they fail even if they win? It's incredibly naive to think their goal is something boolean, that you either achieve or don't. If your goal is to get more land, you can win once - and then invade again. How is this not obvious to you?

    You’re also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isn’t a reason for them to invade again.

    Then why didn't Russia make this offer after a couple of days? Why is Russia not indicating that this is any kind of option? They are the aggressor, they have the power to stop this, especially if they say what they want.

    Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they don’t have any reason to invade again.

    How in the world do you believe an invasion into a neighbouring country to reduce the likelihood of "shelling eastern regions"?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    At this point the war is a stalemate. Given that, Ukraine's requirements for peace are... well they don't have the "war-score" to try for those options yet. TBH I don't think they want peace without those requirements, and Russia isn't beat enough to agree. So peace is just off the table for now. Which suggests it was never a serious offer anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    This was is absolutely not at a stalemate. Ukraine just wasted their offensive capability and all the weapons they received in an offensive that failed to accomplish anything. If people seriously think that Russia isn't going to go on an offensive of their own with the 400k troops they assembled, they're in for a big surprise.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ukraine did nothing of those things. Your addiction to Putin propaganda is just showing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Putin propagandists must've infiltrated the highest echelons of liberal western media, because here's what they've been saying

    Your utter lack of understanding of the subject you're opining on is just showing.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They had one a year ago, that was probably far more favorable than anything they will see now, until their minders shot it down.

    This isn't even close to being a a legitimate peace proposal, at best it is an attempt to spin a "look, those mean Russians won't accept peace!" news story. There's nothing even resembling a concession, it reads more like a demand for unconditional surrender.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the alternative is cookers and tankies, just yourself, continue to feature in hilarious drone bomb videos, which provide ample entertainment. are you ok with hundreds of thousands more mobiks being blown up for my entertainment?

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