287
Russia dismisses Ukraine peace plan: ‘Let’s decide it on the battlefield’ (www.scmp.com)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml
155 comments fedilink hide all child comments
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Because they won territory. If you win territory in a dispute, it's much easier to sell the whole conflict as a win to your population. If you come home empty-handed, it's much more difficult.

Tell me: if the war concludes and Russia gets territory, why wouldn't they do it again? Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist. If Russia sees that their previous invasion netted them territory, how is that not a confirmation that they can win territory by invading other countries?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist

    Then... they failed? You're saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they can't win hard enough to actually get what they want.

    You're also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isn't a reason for them to invade again. Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they don't have any reason to invade again.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Presumably the reasons for the initial attack still exist

    Then… they failed? You’re saying that if they win, they fail. Or at least, they can’t win hard enough to actually get what they want.

    Sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say here. If, for example, one reason for the initial attack was enlarging their area for more natural resources, why would they fail even if they win? It's incredibly naive to think their goal is something boolean, that you either achieve or don't. If your goal is to get more land, you can win once - and then invade again. How is this not obvious to you?

    You’re also assuming Russia wants territory. If Russia wanted, say, Ukraine not being admitted to NATO, and they can get a peace that ensures that, then there isn’t a reason for them to invade again.

    Then why didn't Russia make this offer after a couple of days? Why is Russia not indicating that this is any kind of option? They are the aggressor, they have the power to stop this, especially if they say what they want.

    Or if Russia wanted UKR to stop shelling the eastern regions, then annexing just them might stop that, in which case, they don’t have any reason to invade again.

    How in the world do you believe an invasion into a neighbouring country to reduce the likelihood of "shelling eastern regions"?

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent