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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared somber and, at times, angry in a blistering address to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, as he sought to shore up support for his country’s war effort and demand that Russia be punished for the invasion.

Wearing his trademark green fatigues at the dais at the front of the hall, Zelenskyy furrowed his brow as he called for other countries to recognize that Russia was not just a threat to Ukraine — but to the entire world. He appealed for other countries to help hold the line against Moscow, as “mass destruction is gaining momentum.”

“While Russia is pushing the world to the final war, Ukraine is doing everything to ensure that after Russian aggression, no one will dare to attack any nation,” Zelenskyy said.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If US could do that, they would already have done it. However they are so far up their asses that they cannot see that Ukraine has already lost this war.

Thb, there is no winning this war for anyone. If Russia was able to push into kieve and actually demand a unconditional surrender, they would have done it by now.

The best Russia can hope for now is a conditional surrender that allows them to keep hold over their most strategically important territories, namely their access to the black sea.

Meaning the best outcome was just the status quo of 2014. To achieve their conservation of the status quo they have wasted the vast majority of their war materials and trained personal. Even if they win, it cost them their ability to project hard power outside of eastern Europe.

Despite what you say, even in the worst case scenario Ukraine will have the forces to pursue a peace agreement, giving them time to rearm and resupply.

will only result in meaningless prolongation of this war and further loss of Ukrainian lives. This is not aid, this is throwing people in a meatgrinder to serve west's interests

I think the whole point of the people of Ukraine fighting is that they believe the west interest and Ukraine's interest are one in the same. I personally believe the west is more interested in destroying Russian hard power, but I'm not going to assert that I know more about Ukrainian interest more than the Ukrainian.

The most important thing to understand is that you and everyone else in the west are being subjected to hardcore propaganda and that this is not the narrative that most people on the planet see, despite the effort to alter reality.

Ahh, so you are of the opinion that the rest of the world buys that Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nazism? Despite the fact that their pmc is named Wagner, and was founded by a self confessed neo nazi?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its an obvious troll account. It was hoping someone would expend as much energy as you have on refuting its claims. It doesnt care that its wrong. Its only job is to keep you scrambling for counterpoints.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh, my rebuttal isn't for their benefit, it's for the benefit of those who may find it reasonable claim. Plus, it kills time between my appointments.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Fair enough. I hope we one day have some method to figure out these trolls immediately on posting and ban them.