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Kotkin is okay. I say with an eye roll.
At least his first book is. I am too often miffed at how he bemoans the fates of the Whites or lionizes the antisemitic scum who were leadership figures of the whites while playing "those evil commies" bits here and there. But he'll at least say through grit teeth that the whites did at least (although reality is that they did worse that) as terrible shit as the Reds were forced to do under war communism.
His portrayal of Stalin and the Bolsheviks is unflattering but more faithful to reality than what you'd read from other bourgeoise historians in the same field. There's always minor details here and there that're in contention to whether or not it happened such as whether or not young Ioseb was actually "beaten like a dog by his father" or received what would be a normal amount of corporeal punishment from one's parents at the time and place. Of course there's the other claims of portrayal done by other writers who've made it their goal to make young ioseb be perceived as a young bandit lordling of the village children when in reality he was more a book nerd and a scholarly dweeb.
It would be best to read into any historical communist figure through multiple lenses composed of primary sources so as to better grasp what is most likely historical truth out of a vast web of ephemeral lies.
I appreciate the insight. The reason why I don't really want to like, just read primary sources is that I'm not a historian (and only have very limited Russian) so I don't think I really have the training to interpret disconnected primary sources into something reasonable.
I don't know a lick of Russian outside of insults, cheers before doing shots, and random words used in Bolshevik lingo, but I make do getting elbows deep in random parts of the Soviet archives I find because I'm that boring of a person that I'd enjoy reading meeting minutes of cranky old men arguing about procedures.
It's just about investing the time into studying which is a lot easier if it's something you enjoy doing.