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Interactions with the average liberal (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 61 points 1 day ago (25 children)

I'm not convinced. Biden had four years to pursue rapproachment with Iran, but he doubled down on every single Trump policy he touched. Would Kamala have invaded too? I think there's a good chance she would have. I think there's a good chance ICE would be doing exactly the same shit they're doing now, I think the only difference would have been the libs going back to brunch and the horrors getting swept under the rug.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 day ago

    I think there's a good chance ICE would be doing exactly the same shit they're doing now,

    Harris ICE would not have occupied Minneapolis. they would've done their crimes against humanity in a calm and orderly way so as not to upset white moderates.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I think there's a decent chance that Kamala's admin would have instead pursued conflict in the Korean peninsula and then tried to push for going hot against China over Taiwan Province.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago*

    Highly doubt it.

    US realized in 2016 that the pacific theatre is lost. The US and all of NATO could attack China at the same time and they'd still have lost, except the economic fallout would've been far greater than the war with Iran.

    The US would try to stir shit up, and immediately realize they're far outclassed by a superior productive economy with 4 times as many people that are far more patriotic than the average American.

    Any war with China is the incineration of the corpse that the US has become

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    This is insane stuff. Kamala wouldn't have attacked. Its been played out over and over in war games, the us does not win against Iran in any circumstance. No one has attacked Iran in a long time except Trump because he had plans with putin and orban and the Israeli

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  • [+] -11 points 1 day ago (19 children)

    Pretty naive to think ICE would be murdering protesters in the streets which they have never done under a Dem, when literally Trump ran on the promise of delivering it ....

    Crazy people can be so blind to what's right in front of them.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 day ago* (11 children)

    Yeah, that is crazy

    Good thing Biden took appropriate action and removed ICE's funding instead of constantly increasing it from Trump's deranged spending levels, or that would've looked (and been) really bad

    Oh wait.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    Ice should exist, they just shouldn't be militarized and killing people in the streets.

    People shouldn't be here illegally. We do need enforcement of that, just properly done and not killing people.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Aand there we go. You admit you want fascism, but done politely so you personally don't have to pay attention to it and feel bad. Congrats on being human garbage.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Hanging immigration laws is common in all countries and recorded history lol.

    I'm sorry the education system failed you so badly you don't know what fascism is lol.

    You can Google it and learn something.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Having any sort of immigration laws =/= ICE. ICE came in 2003, and was literally part of GW's own agenda to militarize the border in the wake of 9/11. ICE itself has only ever existed as jackboots.

    You can Google it and learn something.

    And again, that second article I posted literally talked about how more people were deported under Biden's only term than Trump's first. Many of those people likely died or were killed when they were 'returned' to wherever they were fleeing. Biden's attorney general is also the one who obtained the right to indefinitely detain migrants.

    Do you think Biden's VP, the person who said "Donald Trump, on the other hand, has been talking a big game about securing our border, but he does not walk the walk," was going to be humane about things? To say nothing of how she was a key player in the legalese that allowed for the border to be 'shut down' when crossings exceeded a certain number, which doubtlessly harmed many innocent people as well.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago*

    ”I'm fighting fascism, but some of the points they're making are good, you know?”

    What do you think ICE is if not militarized anti-immigration cops by definition?

    I don't know what your problem with Reddit was, but you should go back there, you'd fit in perfectly with your smuglordism.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Pretty naive to think ICE would be murdering protesters in the streets which they have never done under a Dem, when literally Trump ran on the promise of delivering it ....

    Which is different than police departments? (which is what dems wanted to do just train ice to be police levels of training)

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  • [+] -7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Rather then be properly trained in the law than a bunch of gravy seals that think they are marines....

    We should have some kind of administration of immigration policies this isn't the wild West.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    You know you just described most current police with both statements correct?

    Please tell me you understand the current police are the same except wearing a different badge

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  • [+] -8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Improvements need to be made there for sure, but I'm 40 and it's never been as bad as this in my lifetime.

    This is far different

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  • [–] 30 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    If you're 40 you were alive during the Rodney King beating, the murders of Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Aiyana Jones, John Crawford, Eric Harris, Botham Jean, and literally hundreds of others each year.

    So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about because ICE and the rest of law enforcement has always been like this in the US.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 day ago

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-painful-history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/

    So if actually 40 missed the lapd riots because of police, there was the time the police bombed cites, there was the Baltimore police recently that while not killing were doing worse to the citizens than ice, NYPD for generations or what on average happens to dogs. Of course if not a minority probably don't consider this an issue.

    Then there's the racism aspect https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/what-100-years-of-history-tells-us-about-racism-in-policing

    Or the statics being higher than ice just not covered because media gets in trouble doing that (ie police blacklist them) https://policebrutalitycenter.org/police-brutality/statistics/

    Sorry I forgot what were we saying was the difference?

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