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[+] -14 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Ilhan Omar received her citizenship as a dependent minor child when her father was naturalized. She was, in fact, 17 years old when this happened.

The governments theory of the investigation is that she lied about her age, and she was really 18 at the time. If that were true, then she would not be eligible for automatic derived citizenship, and she would have needed to do her own naturalization.

To be clear, this age thing is a bonkers Internet conspiracy theory. But an old children's book might conceivably be relevant.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    But an old children’s book might conceivably be relevant.

    lmfao

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Imagine you're a fascist. That's what this commenter is doing, putting themselves in the shoes of the feds to understand their mentality. They're getting downvoted for it because Lemmy. They don't actually hold this view.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

    Maybe, just maybe, they’re getting downvoted because people are tired of “benefit of the doubt” or speculative justifications for fascists.

    Maybe people have, reasonably, decided that actions taken by this administration should be considered petty, punitive and unlawful unless and until they can provide evidence to the contrary.

    The commenter may not hold the view but they are tacitly supporting fascistic behavior.

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  • [–] 1 point 22 hours ago*

    I'm not one to defend Lemmy's downvoting behavior, but let's put ourselves in the shoes of an antifa to understand their mentality. OP didn't say anything other than "conceive the inconceivable". They could have suggested anything, like maybe the book had her birthday in it. Or maybe the FBI can't read and thought it was an ANTIFA strategy book. Anything to help conceive the inconceivable. I also have doubts that the judge approved taking a children's book, and likely approved retrieving birth certificate documentation. But we know the mind of a fascist, and they will self-justify every action to achieve their goals.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago

    Eh no, she's a political opponent of Trump and also has the kind of skin color he specifically dislikes. That's a much clearer reason than a children book alleging someone was 18 years old at some point in the past.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Imagine being a human being from the future reading this shit. What they did to this woman just for a piece of paper, a year of difference or whatever lies and nonsense is being made up too.

    It is almost on the same level as chopping the arm off a thief who stole some bread to survive. What a bunch of exaggerated inhumane stupid rules written by the Jeffrey Epstein Class. Why the fuck are we still respecting them at all?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    Unless her dad wrote “dedicated to my loving daughter whom knowingly allowed me to file a fraudulent immigration document on her behalf” then I don’t think it is relevant. From what I have read it’s not even a problem if it was filed while she was 18 provided she had no knowledge of her late father’s actions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (3 children)

    I'm thinking a book might have a publication date or a printing date on it somewhere. There's a remote chance that would provide some loose circumstantial evidence as to ages.

    From what I have read it’s not even a problem if it was filed while she was 18 provided she had no knowledge of her late father’s actions.

    Lack of knowledge might insulate Ilhan from criminal charges. But because she has derived citizenship, she can lose the derivation in a civil process if it is proven that she was really 18. In that case she reverts to her previous status of lawful permanent resident. There's no statute of limitations on the civil side.

    If she is found to have never received citizenship, she will probably not be eligible serve as a representative.

    (Yes. The immigration laws of this country are fucked up.)

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    But, like, you can just buy books anytime. I mean I can go into a bookstore right now and buy any book in the place, even the kids section, and not even have to show id. If I go out and get some milk, it isnt even circumstantial evidence that I milked a cow.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago

    I agree. But at this stage they're not trying to get the exhibit admitted into evidence. They really just need to match it against one of the categories of items listed in the search warrant.

    (Warrants shall describe the "place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.")

    She has also challenged the warrant, trying to get her stuff back. I haven't looked into the details on that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago*

    I’m thinking a book might have a publication date or a printing date on it somewhere. There’s a remote chance that would provide some loose circumstantial evidence as to ages.

    Beyond the fact that yes, Ilhan Omar was a child herself once upon a time, she has three children of her own.

    "The circle of suspects grows wider, Sherlock. Any one -- or even all -- of those people might be the true owner!"

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