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Behind the push to make smoking and vaping illegal for a generation of Canadians (vancouver.citynews.ca)
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[–] 3 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It’s fucking evil because vaping actually is one of the most effective ways to quit smoking and vastly safer.

So far you've accused studies that say otherwise of being flawed without providing any analysis as to why, and you haven't provided any sources of your own. It should like you just like vaping and have an axe to grind

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Sure I have. Smoking kills. And vaping is ultimately just as safe as the nicotine patch. It doesn't take much to understand that.

    But as long as you are entertained mocking me by posting smarmy pictures, enjoy. I find it despicable. I doubt you ever research the topic. But the WHO, the World Health Organization, can be accused to killing millions with their zealotry that pushed many countries to outright ban vaping, while smoking remains perfectly legal and convenient. That is the result of many fraudulent studies.

    This is not a trivial topic about "an axe to grind". From my perspective, it's not much different than mass murder. Why? Because of stupidity or profiteering.

    So laugh it up. Mock me if you want. I don't have time or energy to read and debunk this latest study, they are relentless. But I have read these kind of studies in the past and all the anti-vaping studies turned out to be fraudulent. Fraud use for propaganda leading to bad policies and preventable deaths. That is the moral dimension of this shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    So reputable scientists at the WHO telling people that they shouldn't inhale vape juice is tantamount to "mass murder"? I don't know how to respond to this message without it sounding like I'm "mocking you" because what you are saying is so unbelievable and has so many flaws in reasoning that there is no sober response that doesn't make you look bad

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    I don't get why getting the patch and vaping should be seen as a simple neutral choice of delivery method when the delivery method is the very thing being debated?

    Nobody here is against the patch to get off smoking. The article is about starting the habit. And studies about vaping is literally about the delivery method.

    People who start vaping are more likely to start smoking. Before vapes, they may have gone straight to smoking? Or not done it at all? But to focus on the getting off, when there are people getting on and then going further should be seen as diversion from the topic at hand.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    Yes. There is no flaw in reasoning - if you had read any of the fraudulent studies that the WHO policies back then were based on you would understand. But you know nothing about this topic do you?

    You people don't seem to be able to wrap your heads around that bad shit is happening because the media doesn't tell you about it. They love the headline about danger this and that. But still people like you think they can just parrot the headlines and mainstream media and are automatically right and can insult and shit on anyone who says differently. It's very arrogant.

    Vaping is very safe. Vaping can be very effective and getting people off smoking. And there are powerful interests arrayed against them for various reasons.

    Take the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement. Ever since then Big Tobacco pays off states. The more cigarettes they sell, the more the state profits. And then they leveraged or borrowed money against those future profits. Then vaping comes along and threatens that. What do you think their motivation is? A moral one? Or are they going to do what is best for themselves?

    I don't know exactly what the dysfunction at the WHO is but it's probably related to nicotine replacement therapies which make pharma good money. Or it's related to anti-smoking zealotry, a kind of fanaticism. But their recommendations have led to a lot of countries banning vaping outright while cigarette smoking and deaths continues. You might disagree with calling this murder. I have no such qualms.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    There is no flaw in reasoning -

    You are suggesting that there's a massive conspiracy at the WHO to promote fraudulent studies yet you're providing zero evidence to support this claim. I am not going to continue engaging with you here because you are clearly not a serious person

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    This does not require a massive conspiracy for the WHO. Just lobbying, stupidity and greed. Sadly, this is how the world works.

    And sure feel free to not believe me that's fine, why would you. The point is that I have read those fraudulent studies. You presumably have not. But you have mocked me. So fuck you.

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